Los médicos cubanos en Italia: "La solidaridad no es dar lo que te sobra, es compartir lo que tienes"
Carlos Ricardo Pérez es el jefe de la Brigada de más de 50 profesionales de la salud que la isla caribeña ha enviado a Italia para ayudar en la lucha contra el coronavirus
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Coronavirus, 15 médicos polacos en camino a Brescia (región de Lombardía)
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Alguna opinión menos edulcorada...
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Defection
In 2000, two Cuban doctors working in Zimbabwe attempted to defect to Canada. They were prevented from doing so by two Zimbabwean soldiers, who handed them over to Cuban officials.[37] United Nations officials said Zimbabwe appeared to have violated national and international laws.[citation needed]
In August 2006 the United States under George W. Bush created the Cuban Medical Professional Parole program,[38] specifically targeting Cuban medical personnel and encouraging them to defect when they are working in a country outside of Cuba.[7] Of an estimated 40,000 eligible medical personnel, over 1000 had entered the United States under the program by October 2007, according to the chief of staff for U.S. Rep. Lincoln Díaz-Balart.[39] The promised fast-track visa is not always forthcoming, with at least one applicant waiting a year for his visa; although according to Dr. Julio Cesar Alfonso of the Cuban dissident organization "Outside the Barrio," the U.S. government has rejected only a handful of the hundreds of applications for visas.[40] On 12 January 2017, President Obama announced the end of the program, saying that both Cuba and the US work to "combat diseases that endanger the health and lives of our people. By providing preferential treatment to Cuban medical personnel, the medical parole program contradicts those efforts, and risks harming the Cuban people."[41]
According to a 2007 paper published in The Lancet medical journal, "growing numbers of Cuban doctors sent overseas to work are defecting to the USA", some via Colombia, where they have sought temporary asylum.[42] In February 2007, at least 38 doctors were requesting asylum in the U.S. embassy in Bogotá after asylum was denied by the Colombian government.[43] Cuban doctors working abroad are reported to be monitored by "minders" and subject to curfew.[42]
According to Luis Zuñiga, director of human rights for the Cuban American National Foundation, Cuban doctors are "slave workers" who labor for meager wages while bolstering Cuba's image as a donor nation and "the Cuban government exports these doctors as merchandise".[37] The Cuban government keeps between 70 and 90% of their salary and those who break the mission are punished for 8 years, without allowing them to return to Cuba.[44]
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Critics and fugitives
Despite the admirable aspects of the programme, it has also received criticism. Some suggest the real interests of the programme are economic and diplomatic and that it allows Cuba to shift scrutiny away from its own poor human rights record.
Others have criticised what they see as the “selective humanitarianism” of the programme, calling attention to the lower numbers of doctors available to the Cuban population due to the high numbers of doctors working abroad. In my research in Cuba, I’ve witnessed long waiting times in medical centres and several of the people I interviewed spoke of a lack of continuity in doctor-patient care.
Leer más: Is the Cuban healthcare system really as great as people claim?
As for the doctors and nurses who take part, their participation is not always driven by solidarity but in some cases by the opportunities these missions represent for them and their families. In many cases, working on a mission will improve their standard of living when they return to the island. Many are also able to send goods such as fridges or other household appliances to their families while they are away.
Many doctors have also used the mission as a way to escape a country that is still governed by an authoritarian regime and between 2006 and 2016, more than 7,000 Cuban doctors defected to the US. Several have even accused the Cuban government of using them as modern slaves.
Critics and fugitives
Despite the admirable aspects of the programme, it has also received criticism. Some suggest the real interests of the programme are economic and diplomatic and that it allows Cuba to shift scrutiny away from its own poor human rights record.
Others have criticised what they see as the “selective humanitarianism” of the programme, calling attention to the lower numbers of doctors available to the Cuban population due to the high numbers of doctors working abroad. In my research in Cuba, I’ve witnessed long waiting times in medical centres and several of the people I interviewed spoke of a lack of continuity in doctor-patient care.
Leer más: Is the Cuban healthcare system really as great as people claim?
As for the doctors and nurses who take part, their participation is not always driven by solidarity but in some cases by the opportunities these missions represent for them and their families. In many cases, working on a mission will improve their standard of living when they return to the island. Many are also able to send goods such as fridges or other household appliances to their families while they are away.
Many doctors have also used the mission as a way to escape a country that is still governed by an authoritarian regime and between 2006 and 2016, more than 7,000 Cuban doctors defected to the US. Several have even accused the Cuban government of using them as modern slaves.
Claro que esta es la opinión de alguno:
The doctor can be Cuban, or from another country, but not every doctor will sacrifice their life and put themselves in danger to save lives, and this without any kind of financial compensation. This is something we Cubans only do.
Pero tranquilos, todo debe ser mentira, ya que como todos sabemos el comunismo nunca ha exportado grano fuera de su país mientras la gente se moría de hambre...
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Defection
In 2000, two Cuban doctors working in Zimbabwe attempted to defect to Canada. They were prevented from doing so by two Zimbabwean soldiers, who handed them over to Cuban officials.[37] United Nations officials said Zimbabwe appeared to have violated national and international laws.[citation needed]
In August 2006 the United States under George W. Bush created the Cuban Medical Professional Parole program,[38] specifically targeting Cuban medical personnel and encouraging them to defect when they are working in a country outside of Cuba.[7] Of an estimated 40,000 eligible medical personnel, over 1000 had entered the United States under the program by October 2007, according to the chief of staff for U.S. Rep. Lincoln Díaz-Balart.[39] The promised fast-track visa is not always forthcoming, with at least one applicant waiting a year for his visa; although according to Dr. Julio Cesar Alfonso of the Cuban dissident organization "Outside the Barrio," the U.S. government has rejected only a handful of the hundreds of applications for visas.[40] On 12 January 2017, President Obama announced the end of the program, saying that both Cuba and the US work to "combat diseases that endanger the health and lives of our people. By providing preferential treatment to Cuban medical personnel, the medical parole program contradicts those efforts, and risks harming the Cuban people."[41]
According to a 2007 paper published in The Lancet medical journal, "growing numbers of Cuban doctors sent overseas to work are defecting to the USA", some via Colombia, where they have sought temporary asylum.[42] In February 2007, at least 38 doctors were requesting asylum in the U.S. embassy in Bogotá after asylum was denied by the Colombian government.[43] Cuban doctors working abroad are reported to be monitored by "minders" and subject to curfew.[42]
According to Luis Zuñiga, director of human rights for the Cuban American National Foundation, Cuban doctors are "slave workers" who labor for meager wages while bolstering Cuba's image as a donor nation and "the Cuban government exports these doctors as merchandise".[37] The Cuban government keeps between 70 and 90% of their salary and those who break the mission are punished for 8 years, without allowing them to return to Cuba.[44]
https://theconversation.com/by-sending- ... acy-134429
Critics and fugitives
Despite the admirable aspects of the programme, it has also received criticism. Some suggest the real interests of the programme are economic and diplomatic and that it allows Cuba to shift scrutiny away from its own poor human rights record.
Others have criticised what they see as the “selective humanitarianism” of the programme, calling attention to the lower numbers of doctors available to the Cuban population due to the high numbers of doctors working abroad. In my research in Cuba, I’ve witnessed long waiting times in medical centres and several of the people I interviewed spoke of a lack of continuity in doctor-patient care.
Leer más: Is the Cuban healthcare system really as great as people claim?
As for the doctors and nurses who take part, their participation is not always driven by solidarity but in some cases by the opportunities these missions represent for them and their families. In many cases, working on a mission will improve their standard of living when they return to the island. Many are also able to send goods such as fridges or other household appliances to their families while they are away.
Many doctors have also used the mission as a way to escape a country that is still governed by an authoritarian regime and between 2006 and 2016, more than 7,000 Cuban doctors defected to the US. Several have even accused the Cuban government of using them as modern slaves.
Critics and fugitives
Despite the admirable aspects of the programme, it has also received criticism. Some suggest the real interests of the programme are economic and diplomatic and that it allows Cuba to shift scrutiny away from its own poor human rights record.
Others have criticised what they see as the “selective humanitarianism” of the programme, calling attention to the lower numbers of doctors available to the Cuban population due to the high numbers of doctors working abroad. In my research in Cuba, I’ve witnessed long waiting times in medical centres and several of the people I interviewed spoke of a lack of continuity in doctor-patient care.
Leer más: Is the Cuban healthcare system really as great as people claim?
As for the doctors and nurses who take part, their participation is not always driven by solidarity but in some cases by the opportunities these missions represent for them and their families. In many cases, working on a mission will improve their standard of living when they return to the island. Many are also able to send goods such as fridges or other household appliances to their families while they are away.
Many doctors have also used the mission as a way to escape a country that is still governed by an authoritarian regime and between 2006 and 2016, more than 7,000 Cuban doctors defected to the US. Several have even accused the Cuban government of using them as modern slaves.
Claro que esta es la opinión de alguno:
The doctor can be Cuban, or from another country, but not every doctor will sacrifice their life and put themselves in danger to save lives, and this without any kind of financial compensation. This is something we Cubans only do.
Pero tranquilos, todo debe ser mentira, ya que como todos sabemos el comunismo nunca ha exportado grano fuera de su país mientras la gente se moría de hambre...
“…Las piezas de campaña se perdieron; bandera de español ninguna…” Duque de Alba tras la batalla de Heiligerlee.
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Coronavirus, llega ayuda de Estados Unidos a Italia: 100 millones en material médico
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Gracias USA
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Hola. Me pregunto que clase de ayuda puede entregar USA cuando en este pais faltan mascaras, guantes para sus propios medicos y ni hablar de ventiladores. Parece como el resto de las noticias de este hilo, movidas propagandisticas mas que otra cosa.
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No sé exactamente en qué consistirá la ayuda, pero hay dos cuestiones a tener en cuenta:
- Muchas empresas de material médico están en USA, y es probable que parte de esa «ayuda» sean repuestos. Supongo que los directivos de las empresas no serán tontos y saben que si General Electrics (por ejemplo) no suministra componentes para tal o cual equipo, quedará proscrita de futuras adquisiciones. Por cierto, a pesar de la anulación de la UE de la medida unilateral de Alemania, hay empresas alemanas que no están suministrando repuestos.
- En USA hay una importante colonia italiana y es probable que esté recaudando fondos.
Saludos
- Muchas empresas de material médico están en USA, y es probable que parte de esa «ayuda» sean repuestos. Supongo que los directivos de las empresas no serán tontos y saben que si General Electrics (por ejemplo) no suministra componentes para tal o cual equipo, quedará proscrita de futuras adquisiciones. Por cierto, a pesar de la anulación de la UE de la medida unilateral de Alemania, hay empresas alemanas que no están suministrando repuestos.
- En USA hay una importante colonia italiana y es probable que esté recaudando fondos.
Saludos
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Son stocks para situaciones de emergencia.
Mascarillas y guantes escasean, pero los hay y disponen de camas hospitalarias, kits incubación, goteros, monitores, ventiladores etc... que están poniendo a disposición de aliados.
La sanidad militar de EEUU basada en Italia está colaborando desde el primer momento.
Mascarillas y guantes escasean, pero los hay y disponen de camas hospitalarias, kits incubación, goteros, monitores, ventiladores etc... que están poniendo a disposición de aliados.
La sanidad militar de EEUU basada en Italia está colaborando desde el primer momento.
Ningún plan, por bueno que sea, resiste su primer recorte presupuestario.
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No es oro todo lo que reluce ni quizás todas las intenciones son supuestamente tan caritativas como puede parecer
Algunos párrafos interesantes..
The wages on offer were another strong incentive for Dayli, who is originally from the small Cuban city of Camagüey, to join up. Going from a doctor's salary on the island of just $15 a month in 2011, she says she was paid $125 monthly for the first six months in Venezuela, a figure that rose to $250 after six months and $325 during her third year. Her family in Cuba also received a bonus of $50 a month.
According to a report by Prisoners Defenders, a Spain-based NGO that campaigns for human rights in Cuba and is linked to the Patriotic Union of Cuba (UNPACU) opposition group, doctors on average receive between 10% and 25% of the salary paid by the host countries, with the rest being kept by Cuba's authorities.
Dayli says she voluntarily signed a contract for a three-year stint, but she neither had time to read it, nor was she given a personal copy.
According to a report by the opposition-linked Cuban Prisoners Defenders, based on direct testimony from 46 doctors with experience of overseas medical missions, plus public-source information from statements by 64 other medics:
89% said they had no prior knowledge of where they would be posted within a particular country
41% said their passport was removed from them by a Cuban official on arrival in the host country
91% said they were watched over by Cuban security officials while on their mission, and the same percentage reported being asked to pass on information about colleagues to security officials
57% said they did not volunteer to join a mission, but felt obliged to do so, while 39% said they felt strongly pressured to serve abroad.
He is now unable to visit Cuba for fear of being imprisoned on the island for desertion. In 2018 he applied for a humanitarian visa to visit his mother who had cancer. It was denied, and he could not see her before she died. "That's the way they play it, dangling permissions and gifts in front of you so people play ball. I soon realised our mission was more political than humanitarian."
(Pero eso sí, defendemos el libre movimiento de personas en Europa...)
No es oro todo lo que reluce ni quizás todas las intenciones son supuestamente tan caritativas como puede parecer
Algunos párrafos interesantes..
The wages on offer were another strong incentive for Dayli, who is originally from the small Cuban city of Camagüey, to join up. Going from a doctor's salary on the island of just $15 a month in 2011, she says she was paid $125 monthly for the first six months in Venezuela, a figure that rose to $250 after six months and $325 during her third year. Her family in Cuba also received a bonus of $50 a month.
According to a report by Prisoners Defenders, a Spain-based NGO that campaigns for human rights in Cuba and is linked to the Patriotic Union of Cuba (UNPACU) opposition group, doctors on average receive between 10% and 25% of the salary paid by the host countries, with the rest being kept by Cuba's authorities.
Dayli says she voluntarily signed a contract for a three-year stint, but she neither had time to read it, nor was she given a personal copy.
According to a report by the opposition-linked Cuban Prisoners Defenders, based on direct testimony from 46 doctors with experience of overseas medical missions, plus public-source information from statements by 64 other medics:
89% said they had no prior knowledge of where they would be posted within a particular country
41% said their passport was removed from them by a Cuban official on arrival in the host country
91% said they were watched over by Cuban security officials while on their mission, and the same percentage reported being asked to pass on information about colleagues to security officials
57% said they did not volunteer to join a mission, but felt obliged to do so, while 39% said they felt strongly pressured to serve abroad.
He is now unable to visit Cuba for fear of being imprisoned on the island for desertion. In 2018 he applied for a humanitarian visa to visit his mother who had cancer. It was denied, and he could not see her before she died. "That's the way they play it, dangling permissions and gifts in front of you so people play ball. I soon realised our mission was more political than humanitarian."
(Pero eso sí, defendemos el libre movimiento de personas en Europa...)
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Y desde Europa, lo de irse a vivir al paraíso como que no.
Ningún plan, por bueno que sea, resiste su primer recorte presupuestario.
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¡Hola!
Sobre lo de Corea del Norte, sinceramente, no se como uno puede extrañarse, hablamos de una nación que tardó casi dos años en admitir que no tenían comida, que se estaban comiendo unos a los otros( literal, que bien que la FAO denunció casos de canibalismo en la nación)y que precisaban de ayuda, ayuda que hoy en día, aún se les proporciona
Me pregunto que clase de ayuda puede prestar Cuba que no tienen ni tiritas en su nación, y no, no es hablar mal de la dictadura cubana, es que antes de todo esto, desde exteriores se recomendaba llevar vendas y otros utensilios médicos por el simple motivo que en Cuba no tienen ni eso, no hay ni para jabón.Hola. Me pregunto que clase de ayuda puede entregar USA cuando en este pais faltan mascaras, guantes para sus propios medicos y ni hablar de ventiladores. Parece como el resto de las noticias de este hilo, movidas propagandisticas mas que otra cosa.
Sobre lo de Corea del Norte, sinceramente, no se como uno puede extrañarse, hablamos de una nación que tardó casi dos años en admitir que no tenían comida, que se estaban comiendo unos a los otros( literal, que bien que la FAO denunció casos de canibalismo en la nación)y que precisaban de ayuda, ayuda que hoy en día, aún se les proporciona
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Pues CUba podra prestar una ayuda mas que nada simbolica, porque como bien senalas su sistema sanitario esta hecho pedazos, y no es por culpa del famoso bloqueo, sino de una pesima administracion que lleva ya medio siglo o mas.Zabopi escribió:¡Hola!
Me pregunto que clase de ayuda puede prestar Cuba que no tienen ni tiritas en su nación, y no, no es hablar mal de la dictadura cubana, es que antes de todo esto, desde exteriores se recomendaba llevar vendas y otros utensilios médicos por el simple motivo que en Cuba no tienen ni eso, no hay ni para jabón.
Sobre lo de Corea del Norte, sinceramente, no se como uno puede extrañarse, hablamos de una nación que tardó casi dos años en admitir que no tenían comida, que se estaban comiendo unos a los otros( literal, que bien que la FAO denunció casos de canibalismo en la nación)y que precisaban de ayuda, ayuda que hoy en día, aún se les proporciona
Y por eso envian medicos, a los que es posible que no se les pregunte siquiera si quieren ir.
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Pues ustedes ya opinan con la bilis. Cuba está prestando ayuda en más países q cualquier otro. No sobran los recursos en los hospitales pero hay. Y si no hay más es porque el bloqueo no lo permite, vallan y busquen sobre los equipos médicos que vendió la Philips y como quedó eso, y sobre el banco francés q financió la compra de equipos médicos y que le paso por volar los mandamientos de EEUU. En cuanto a lo que no preguntan a los doctores si están dispuestos a ir, mi esposa es doctora y ha cumplido misiones y en todas le han preguntado, en este caso también, y decidió no ir. Aún trabaja y no la han castigado ni desaparecido ni quitado la comida ni nada. Si no están de acuerdo con el sistema esta bien, pero la situación no está para estar atacando, y menos a los pocos que ayudan. Si no quieren la ayuda de Cuba, esperen a la ayuda de los médicos de Harvard.
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¡Hola!
¿Seguro?
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Nada, aquí un médico cubano que opina lo mismito que tú.
¿Seguro?
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Nada, aquí un médico cubano que opina lo mismito que tú.
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Si llamas opinar con la bilis a discrepar del pensamiento único, sí. Tienes toda la razón.Pues ustedes ya opinan con la bilis
Eres todo un ejemplo de aceptar las críticas...enhorabuena, pero la próxima vez intenta rebatirlo...
Eso explica los motivos de según que mensajes...mi esposa es doctora y ha cumplido misiones
¿Porqué no?pero la situación no está para estar atacando
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Intentaré hacerlo sin acritud.UTI2482 escribió:Pues ustedes ya opinan con la bilis.
No es cierto. Se agradece la ayuda, pero los países de la Unión Europea están prestando ayuda, y además de ceder equipos han enviado personal y han admitido en sus propios centros hospitalarios a pacientes críticos.Cuba está prestando ayuda en más países q cualquier otro.
Independientemente del embargo económico (que no bloqueo, no veo ningún buque de la US Navy deteniendo mercantes), hay otras fuentes de equipos médicos. Por ejemplo, China lleva compitiendo en el mercado internacional bastantes años. Lo malo es que hay que pagar, y la economía cubana está como está ¿por el embargo? Tal vez, aunque esa cuestión sería para debatir despacio (por lo visto USA no puede atacar el régimen cubano, pero Cuba sí que puede intervenir por medio mundo con el pretexto de defender la libertad, apoyando a criminales como Mengistu Haile Mariam).Y si no hay más es porque el bloqueo no lo permite, vallan y busquen sobre los equipos médicos que vendió la Philips y como quedó eso, y sobre el banco francés q financió la compra de equipos médicos y que le paso por volar los mandamientos de EEUU.
Pero Cuba está recibiendo muchísimos turistas, y otros países del área han podido prosperar con ese recurso ¿Cuba no? ¿Seguro que no es por motivos internos? Seamos realistas: el régimen cubano no es capaz de sostenerse sin la ayuda externa.
En eso yo no lo dudo. Conozco médicos cubanos y no me han contado nada de imposiciones.En cuanto a lo que no preguntan a los doctores si están dispuestos a ir, mi esposa es doctora y ha cumplido misiones y en todas le han preguntado, en este caso también, y decidió no ir.
Veamos; desde hace mucho tiempo Cuba ha empleado la ayuda sanitaria como arma de propaganda. Desde luego, mejor enviar médicos que guerrilleros; aunque Cuba también ha enviado de esos últimos. Pero otros países prestan una ayuda muy importante, solo que no necesitan salir en las noticias. Pero busque con Google y tal vez se sorprenda.Si no están de acuerdo con el sistema esta bien, pero la situación no está para estar atacando, y menos a los pocos que ayudan.
Eso sí, tampoco hubiera estado mal que se hubiese empezado por ayudar al propio pueblo cubano. Por ejemplo, consiguiendo que el agua sea potable. Cuba lleva años con problemas económicos, pero antes de la caída de la URSS había dinero y se prefirió gastarlo en tanques.
Nadie ha dicho que no se quiera la ayuda cubana; bienvenida sea, y se agradece el favor (mire el segundo mensaje de este hilo).Si no quieren la ayuda de Cuba, esperen a la ayuda de los médicos de Harvard.
Pero lo de atacar a USA a la mínima, no. Estados Unidos, a pesar de que empiezan a tener problemas, ha proporcionado ayuda a Italia. Además está gastando una millonada en investigaciones de las que todos se beneficiarán. Gracias, Cuba, pero sin propaganda.
Saludos
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