ATD-X - Caza Japonés de 5º Generación

[Sebastian Gonzalez]

Abro este tema para especular un poco con este avión que ya he visto en la red no hay buena información que piensan ustedes de este avión será que este pájaro vera la luz en el 2014
5 generacion japones conocido como ATD-X

Role Stealth Experimental aircraft
National origin Japan
Manufacturer Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
First flight 2014
Status Under development
Primary user Japan Air Self-Defense Force

The Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin is a state of the art prototype fifth-generation jet fighter that uses advanced stealth technology. Being developed by the Japanese Ministry of Defense Technical Research and Development Institute (TRDI) for research purposes. The main contractor of the project is Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. Many consider this aircraft to be Japan's first domestically made stealth fighter. ATD-X is an acronym meaning "Advanced Technology Demonstrator - X". The aircraft's Japanese name is 心神 (shin-shin) which means one's mind. The aircraft's first flight is scheduled for 2014.

Japan, which wants to replace its aging fighter fleet, has also made overtures to Washington on the possibility of purchasing the American F-22 stealth fighter.[1] However, the U.S. Congress has repeatedly banned the sale of the plane to any foreign government, in an attempt to safeguard the country's advanced technology, necessitating Japan to develop its own stealth fighter. In 2005, a mock-up of the ATD-X was used to study its radar cross section in France.[2][3] In 2006, a radio-controlled 1/5 scale model made its first flight to gain data on performance at high angles of attack, and to test new sensory equipment and self-repairing flight control systems.[3] Decision by the ministry to push ahead with the multi billion-yen project means developers will start working toward flight tests, with production in about 10 years, it said. The reports also say that there was a possible involvement of US Lockheed Martin in the development of ATD-X. The ATD-X is expected to achieve its maiden flight in 2014.[4]

The design of the aircraft reflects those of several American fourth and fifth generation fighters, most notably the F-22 Raptor.[citation needed] The ATD-X will be used as a technology demonstrator and research prototype to determine whether domestic advanced technologies for a fifth generation fighter aircraft are viable, and is a 1/3 size model of a possible full-production aircraft.[5] The aircraft also features 3D thrust vectoring capability. Thrust is controlled in the ATD-X by the use of 3 paddles on each engine nozzle similar to the system used on the Rockwell X-31, while an axis-symmetric thrust vectoring engine is also being developed for the full scale production model.[5] The nozzles on the prototype appear to be uncovered and might have a slight adverse effect on the aircraft's stealth characteristics.[citation needed]

Among the features the ATD-X is to have is a fly-by-optics flight control system, which by substituting optical fibers for wires, allows data to be transferred faster and with immunity to electromagnetic disturbance.[5]

Its radar will be an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar called the 'Multifunction RF Sensor', which is intended to have broad spectrum agility, capabilities for electronic countermeasures (ECM), electronic support measures (ESM), communications functions, and possibly even microwave weapon functions.[5]

A further feature will be a so-called 'Self Repairing Flight Control Capability' (自己修復飛行制御機能), which will allow the aircraft to automatically detect failures or damage in its flight control surfaces, and using the remaining control surfaces, calibrate accordingly to retain controlled flight.[3]

The JASDF is reported to have issued a request for information for engines in the 10 to 20 thousand pound thrust range to power the prototypes while Ishikawajima-Harima Heavy Industries is to provide the engines for the completed fighter
General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 14.174 meters or 46.50 feet. ()
Wingspan: 9.099 meters or 29.85 feet. ()
Height: 4.514 meters or 14.80 feet. ()
Max takeoff weight: 8 tonnes or 17,636 pounds. ()
Powerplant: 2× IHI XF5-1.
Dry thrust: 10 tonnes or 22,046 pounds. () each
Thrust with afterburner: 15 tonnes or 33,069 pounds. () each

















http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g94C5CNIPOQ

tengo una
¿Leí en un foro que este avión ya había hecho su primer vuelo que tan cierto será esto?

saludos

[Chechitar_1985]

Sebastian:

pues no hay mucha informacion alrespecto, en algunos foros dudan de la autenticidad de una de las imagenes que tu posteaste, pero a mi parecer, si los amigos japo ya lo comenzaron a desarrollar, me imagino lo que se viene

[iguecoff]

que curioso, Japon si sigue en la vanguardia. Diganme que tanto puede este avionsito? Para mi es una sorpresa que Japon siga en la industria militar. Algun juguete verdaderamente de coleccion en ellos?

[Mauricio]

Japan's Roadmap To An Indigenous Fighter

Feb 11, 2011

By Bradley Perrett
Beijing

Japanese industry is urging the government to keep the country’s planned F-X fighter in production until 2028, raising the stakes for the three Western companies competing for the program.

Full-scale development of an indigenous follow-on fighter, meanwhile, should begin between 2015 and 2017, the industry’s Society of Japanese Aerospace Companies recommends. The industry thus envisages two parallel, long-term projects, one for the factories and one for the development teams, to sustain the country’s fighter industrial base after deliveries of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries F-2s end this year.

There is a sign that the industry expects Japan to order the Lockheed Martin F-35 for the F-X program, because the society fails to advocate the other possible way to keep developers busy: extensive modification of the chosen aircraft. That option has been open for two of the competitors, the Eurofighter Typhoon and Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, but not for the F-35, whose technology is tightly controlled by the U.S.

Anxious to preserve skills, Japanese aerospace companies have previously backed aircraft other than the F-35, industry and government officials say. It now seems industry is looking for another way forward. Even though the competition is still under way, the Mainichi newspaper reported in November that the air force would seek F-35 procurement funds in its budget for the fiscal year beginning April 1, 2012.

Japan is expected to build much of the F-X aircraft domestically.

Whoever wins, the prize will be bigger if the government follows the society’s advice to build until 2028, greatly surpassing the stated program goal of delivering 50 fighters to replace Japan’s remaining F-4EJ Kai Phantoms. If the plants begin delivering fighters in, say, 2014 and maintain the average rate of the F-2 program, eight units a year, then F-X production would reach 120 aircraft.

The winning type would then become a partial replacement for Japan’s 200 F-15s, as the Mainichi has also suggested.

The Phantoms, more than 30 years old and built to a 1950s basic design, are slated to retire by 2015, a date that appears increasingly difficult to achieve as years pass without an F-X decision. The society’s envisaged retirement date for the type is 2018—either because that is the government’s current projection or because it sees 2018 as the earliest time by which enough F-X fighters could be fielded. Typhoons or Super Hornets would be available in larger numbers sooner than F-35s.

The F-X production plan appears in the society’s discussion of a 15-year gap between the end of F-2 production and the beginning of preparatory work in 2026 for volume production of an indigenous fighter. The society suggests either a foreign or Japanese design could fill the gap, but the defense ministry has rejected further production of the available domestic aircraft, the F-2, so the answer can only be the F-X.

The follow-on fighter would be the one already intended to emerge from the i3 technology acquisition effort (AW&ST Nov. 15, 2010, p. 37; Sept. 6, 2010, p. 29). Volume production would begin in 2028. Work on some of the technologies has already begun, including studies for an advanced engine (see p. 33). Research laying the ground for the project should continue until 2017, the society says, while the country test-flies its ATD-X stealth technology demonstrator in 2014-16.

Dovetailing with that, full-scale development of the i3 fighter would begin by 2017, long before the defense ministry’s nominated date, 2021. One consideration must be that work for the developers will tail off once the demonstrator is flying.

The i3’s first flight would come in 2025 and service entry in 2031 under the society’s plan, which it sets out as an industry road map extending into the 2030s.

“Domestic development and production needs to be sustained in case the United States withholds its technology,” it says, indirectly reminding the government of its failed attempt to buy the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor for the F-X.

“Among 13 companies interviewed [for this report], only one said that it could return fighter engineers to fighter work after a five-year gap,” the society says.

Two other issues that are not mentioned but may determine the future of Japanese fighter programs are the U.S. Air Force’s plan for a Next Generation Tactical Aircraft to become operational in 2030, and Japan’s cautious move toward allowing defense exports, with a view to taking part in international cooperative arms programs (AW&ST Dec. 13, 2010, p. 53).

Those two factors, plus the considerable cost of building an indigenous fighter, mean the i3 effort could turn into a Japanese contribution to a U.S. fighter of the so-called sixth generation. If it does not, perhaps because the U.S. declines foreign help on such a sensitive project, then Japan will at least be technologically positioned to go it alone.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... ull&next=0

[flanker33]

Los japoneses quieren volar el prototipo en tres años:

Japan stealth jet prototype set to fly in 2014

Lt. Gen. Hideyuki Yoshioka says the prototype will likely be rolled out for a test flight on schedule in 2014.
...

Saludos.

[Urbano Calleja]

Me suena a presion para que les vendan el Raptor...

[flanker33]

Es posible que así sea, pero de todos modos, a los japoneses les gusta fabricar sus propisos aviones y tener un cierto nivel de autarquía aeronáutica, en el caso de los aviones de combate, ya sean F-1 o versiones como el F-2, y quizás no quieran quedarse atras en el mundo de los Stealths.

[Emile Zola]

Es posible que así sea, pero de todos modos, a los japoneses les gusta fabricar sus propisos aviones y tener un cierto nivel de autarquía aeronáutica, en el caso de los aviones de combate, ya sean F-1 o versiones como el F-2, y quizás no quieran quedarse atras en el mundo de los Stealths.

Además cabe recordar que si su programa F2 sufrió tal retraso (iniciado en 1987 con entrada en grada en 2000, 5 años después de lo previsto) es que tuvieron muchos problemas con el aliado US para incluir sus propias tecnológias en esta variante local del F16. Así que tal experiencia, de haber sido tratado como "indigenos", debe doler y resulta muy entendible que quieran desarollar su propio aparato furtivo.

Su capacidad industrial para llevar a cabo tal avión es indudable. Dicho esto, es de ver si con los enormes gastos que van a tener, a la seguida de las destrucciones causadas por el terremoto y luego el Tsunami, podrán financiar tal ambicioso programa ...

Saludos

[kakaroto]

Abro este tema para especular un poco con este avión que ya he visto en la red no hay buena información que piensan ustedes de este avión será que este pájaro vera la luz en el 2014
5 generacion japones conocido como ATD-X

Role Stealth Experimental aircraft
National origin Japan
Manufacturer Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
First flight 2014
Status Under development
Primary user Japan Air Self-Defense Force

The Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin is a state of the art prototype fifth-generation jet fighter that uses advanced stealth technology. Being developed by the Japanese Ministry of Defense Technical Research and Development Institute (TRDI) for research purposes. The main contractor of the project is Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. Many consider this aircraft to be Japan's first domestically made stealth fighter. ATD-X is an acronym meaning "Advanced Technology Demonstrator - X". The aircraft's Japanese name is 心神 (shin-shin) which means one's mind. The aircraft's first flight is scheduled for 2014.

Japan, which wants to replace its aging fighter fleet, has also made overtures to Washington on the possibility of purchasing the American F-22 stealth fighter.[1] However, the U.S. Congress has repeatedly banned the sale of the plane to any foreign government, in an attempt to safeguard the country's advanced technology, necessitating Japan to develop its own stealth fighter. In 2005, a mock-up of the ATD-X was used to study its radar cross section in France.[2][3] In 2006, a radio-controlled 1/5 scale model made its first flight to gain data on performance at high angles of attack, and to test new sensory equipment and self-repairing flight control systems.[3] Decision by the ministry to push ahead with the multi billion-yen project means developers will start working toward flight tests, with production in about 10 years, it said. The reports also say that there was a possible involvement of US Lockheed Martin in the development of ATD-X. The ATD-X is expected to achieve its maiden flight in 2014.[4]

The design of the aircraft reflects those of several American fourth and fifth generation fighters, most notably the F-22 Raptor.[citation needed] The ATD-X will be used as a technology demonstrator and research prototype to determine whether domestic advanced technologies for a fifth generation fighter aircraft are viable, and is a 1/3 size model of a possible full-production aircraft.[5] The aircraft also features 3D thrust vectoring capability. Thrust is controlled in the ATD-X by the use of 3 paddles on each engine nozzle similar to the system used on the Rockwell X-31, while an axis-symmetric thrust vectoring engine is also being developed for the full scale production model.[5] The nozzles on the prototype appear to be uncovered and might have a slight adverse effect on the aircraft's stealth characteristics.[citation needed]

Among the features the ATD-X is to have is a fly-by-optics flight control system, which by substituting optical fibers for wires, allows data to be transferred faster and with immunity to electromagnetic disturbance.[5]

Its radar will be an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar called the 'Multifunction RF Sensor', which is intended to have broad spectrum agility, capabilities for electronic countermeasures (ECM), electronic support measures (ESM), communications functions, and possibly even microwave weapon functions.[5]

A further feature will be a so-called 'Self Repairing Flight Control Capability' (自己修復飛行制御機能), which will allow the aircraft to automatically detect failures or damage in its flight control surfaces, and using the remaining control surfaces, calibrate accordingly to retain controlled flight.[3]

The JASDF is reported to have issued a request for information for engines in the 10 to 20 thousand pound thrust range to power the prototypes while Ishikawajima-Harima Heavy Industries is to provide the engines for the completed fighter
General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 14.174 meters or 46.50 feet. ()
Wingspan: 9.099 meters or 29.85 feet. ()
Height: 4.514 meters or 14.80 feet. ()
Max takeoff weight: 8 tonnes or 17,636 pounds. ()
Powerplant: 2× IHI XF5-1.
Dry thrust: 10 tonnes or 22,046 pounds. () each
Thrust with afterburner: 15 tonnes or 33,069 pounds. () each

















http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g94C5CNIPOQ

tengo una
¿Leí en un foro que este avión ya había hecho su primer vuelo que tan cierto será esto?

saludos

en el foro de aviacion rusa exclamaron; que si sukhoi disenara autos serian formidables , para los japoneses si aplicaramos lo mismo ala inversa; si como fabrican y disenan autos contruyeran aviones de combate escalarian alos primeros lugares de inmediato.
pero lamentablemente no tienen la voluntad politica como los chinos ,rusos y norteamericanos necesarios para realizar o acelerar estos proyectos

[Plissken_101_AB]

Abro este tema para especular un poco con este avión que ya he visto en la red no hay buena información que piensan ustedes de este avión será que este pájaro vera la luz en el 2014
5 generacion japones conocido como ATD-X

Role Stealth Experimental aircraft
National origin Japan
Manufacturer Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
First flight 2014
Status Under development
Primary user Japan Air Self-Defense Force

The Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin is a state of the art prototype fifth-generation jet fighter that uses advanced stealth technology. Being developed by the Japanese Ministry of Defense Technical Research and Development Institute (TRDI) for research purposes. The main contractor of the project is Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. Many consider this aircraft to be Japan's first domestically made stealth fighter. ATD-X is an acronym meaning "Advanced Technology Demonstrator - X". The aircraft's Japanese name is 心神 (shin-shin) which means one's mind. The aircraft's first flight is scheduled for 2014.

Japan, which wants to replace its aging fighter fleet, has also made overtures to Washington on the possibility of purchasing the American F-22 stealth fighter.[1] However, the U.S. Congress has repeatedly banned the sale of the plane to any foreign government, in an attempt to safeguard the country's advanced technology, necessitating Japan to develop its own stealth fighter. In 2005, a mock-up of the ATD-X was used to study its radar cross section in France.[2][3] In 2006, a radio-controlled 1/5 scale model made its first flight to gain data on performance at high angles of attack, and to test new sensory equipment and self-repairing flight control systems.[3] Decision by the ministry to push ahead with the multi billion-yen project means developers will start working toward flight tests, with production in about 10 years, it said. The reports also say that there was a possible involvement of US Lockheed Martin in the development of ATD-X. The ATD-X is expected to achieve its maiden flight in 2014.[4]

The design of the aircraft reflects those of several American fourth and fifth generation fighters, most notably the F-22 Raptor.[citation needed] The ATD-X will be used as a technology demonstrator and research prototype to determine whether domestic advanced technologies for a fifth generation fighter aircraft are viable, and is a 1/3 size model of a possible full-production aircraft.[5] The aircraft also features 3D thrust vectoring capability. Thrust is controlled in the ATD-X by the use of 3 paddles on each engine nozzle similar to the system used on the Rockwell X-31, while an axis-symmetric thrust vectoring engine is also being developed for the full scale production model.[5] The nozzles on the prototype appear to be uncovered and might have a slight adverse effect on the aircraft's stealth characteristics.[citation needed]

Among the features the ATD-X is to have is a fly-by-optics flight control system, which by substituting optical fibers for wires, allows data to be transferred faster and with immunity to electromagnetic disturbance.[5]

Its radar will be an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar called the 'Multifunction RF Sensor', which is intended to have broad spectrum agility, capabilities for electronic countermeasures (ECM), electronic support measures (ESM), communications functions, and possibly even microwave weapon functions.[5]

A further feature will be a so-called 'Self Repairing Flight Control Capability' (自己修復飛行制御機能), which will allow the aircraft to automatically detect failures or damage in its flight control surfaces, and using the remaining control surfaces, calibrate accordingly to retain controlled flight.[3]

The JASDF is reported to have issued a request for information for engines in the 10 to 20 thousand pound thrust range to power the prototypes while Ishikawajima-Harima Heavy Industries is to provide the engines for the completed fighter
General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 14.174 meters or 46.50 feet. ()
Wingspan: 9.099 meters or 29.85 feet. ()
Height: 4.514 meters or 14.80 feet. ()
Max takeoff weight: 8 tonnes or 17,636 pounds. ()
Powerplant: 2× IHI XF5-1.
Dry thrust: 10 tonnes or 22,046 pounds. () each
Thrust with afterburner: 15 tonnes or 33,069 pounds. () each

















http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g94C5CNIPOQ

tengo una
¿Leí en un foro que este avión ya había hecho su primer vuelo que tan cierto será esto?

saludos

en el foro de aviacion rusa exclamaron; que si sukhoi disenara autos serian formidables , para los japoneses si aplicaramos lo mismo ala inversa; si como fabrican y disenan autos contruyeran aviones de combate escalarian alos primeros lugares de inmediato.
pero lamentablemente no tienen la voluntad politica como los chinos ,rusos y norteamericanos necesarios para realizar o acelerar estos proyectos

Si Sukhoi hiciese coches, espero que los motores de esos coches fuesen más fiables que los Saturn AL-31 del Flanker, de lo contrario más te valdría tener contratado un buen servicio de asistencia en carreteras. En cuanto a los japoneses, ya hemos visto todos lo bien que les ha ido en el diseño de las del F-2. ¬¬

[Mauricio]

Si Sukhoi hiciese coches, espero que los motores de esos coches fuesen más fiables que los Saturn AL-31 del Flanker, de lo contrario más te valdría tener contratado un buen servicio de asistencia en carreteras. En cuanto a los japoneses, ya hemos visto todos lo bien que les ha ido en el diseño de las del F-2. ¬¬

El problema del F-2 es que ofrece muy poco que no ofrezca un F-16 Block 40, excepto que cuesta el doble. La célula sufre de las mismas limitaciones de espacio que lo dejan tan estrecho en su márgen de crecimiento.

En realidad es así con todos los programas militares del Japón. Exigen sistemas indígenas y bien producción local o ensamblaje local. Pero compran pocas unidades y no amortizan la inversión con exportaciones. Por eso acaban pagando unas sumas exhorbitantes por sus programas y el costo unitario se va a las nubes. Cosas como el C-X por ejemplo, donde desarrollan una célula nueva para luego repartir la inversión entre apenas 35 a 40 aviones. O el P-X, célula y motores indígenas, sistemas indígenas que incluyen un AESA, un MAD, etc. Solamente si reemplazan la noventena de Oriones 1 por 1 empieza a tener sentido y así y todo es un caro ejercicio. En promedio, por cada gran programa de armamento al que se lanzan, acaban pagando el doble de lo que costaría COTS.

[Plissken_101_AB]

Si Sukhoi hiciese coches, espero que los motores de esos coches fuesen más fiables que los Saturn AL-31 del Flanker, de lo contrario más te valdría tener contratado un buen servicio de asistencia en carreteras. En cuanto a los japoneses, ya hemos visto todos lo bien que les ha ido en el diseño de las del F-2. ¬¬

El problema del F-2 es que ofrece muy poco que no ofrezca un F-16 Block 40, excepto que cuesta el doble. La célula sufre de las mismas limitaciones de espacio que lo dejan tan estrecho en su márgen de crecimiento.

En realidad es así con todos los programas militares del Japón. Exigen sistemas indígenas y bien producción local o ensamblaje local. Pero compran pocas unidades y no amortizan la inversión con exportaciones. Por eso acaban pagando unas sumas exhorbitantes por sus programas y el costo unitario se va a las nubes. Cosas como el C-X por ejemplo, donde desarrollan una célula nueva para luego repartir la inversión entre apenas 35 a 40 aviones. O el P-X, célula y motores indígenas, sistemas indígenas que incluyen un AESA, un MAD, etc. Solamente si reemplazan la noventena de Oriones 1 por 1 empieza a tener sentido y así y todo es un caro ejercicio. En promedio, por cada gran programa de armamento al que se lanzan, acaban pagando el doble de lo que costaría COTS.

Por lo que contaba un ingeniero de Lockheed Martin en F16.net, la compañía les ofreció toda la colaboración pero los japonese se negaron a que unos "gaijin" les dijesen cómo tenían que hacer sus aviones; así que todo el personal de LM desplazado a Japón se pasó las semanas jugando al golf. Según explicaba, de haberles pedido consejo, ellos jamás les habrían recomendado esas alas, ya que la perdida de performances no se justifica por la escasa ganancia de peso en armas que puede montar.

Si lo que querían era un monoplaza que pudiese emplear misiles anti-barco, que hubiesen elegido una variante del F/A-18 o que hubiesen dejado que General Dynamics (y después de 1993, Lookheed Martin) les hubiesen diseñado una variante específica del F-16, que ellos conocían mucho mejor el avión que Mitsubishi.

[vet327]

No parecen tan "dificiles" los japs, cuando han tragado SI o SI con el gordito que no se ajusta a sus requerimientos

[vet327]

EDITADO POR EL MODERADOR

La moderación del FMG no piensa seguir detrás de Uds. dos borrando mensajes porque Uds. no saben comportarse de modo acorde a su edad y estatus.

La retahíla de insultos se acaba aquí.

[Sebastian Gonzalez]

ATD-X estará listo en 2016

Uno de los responsable del programa para el desarrollo del demostrador de tecnología ATD-X, dijo esta semana que el primer prototipo de caza furtivo japonés estará listo durante el año 2016, cuando se realizó el primer vuelo de la aeronave. Teniente General de Yoshioka dijo que Japón está dando una importancia especial al desarrollo de este proyecto y ahora es vital para la defensa de Japón. El general señaló que tanto Rusia como China tienen sus proyectos propio juego "stealth." El Japón es capaz de detectar todos los combatientes de 4 ª generación en las distancias de seguridad, pero no hay certezas acerca de cómo se comportarán estos radares en la amenaza de los combatientes de la 5 ª generación, cuya característica principal es el sigilo. Shinshin "Corazón de Dios" El proyecto Japón será desarrollado por el Ministerio de Defensa y Mitsubishi, se llama Shinshin lo que significa Corazón de Dios y ser un luchador de la generación de pura quinta, tendrá que luchar contra la electrónica capaz de dar la capacidad de las aeronaves de reacción inmediata a cualquier tipo de amenaza identificada. Sin embargo, el ATD-X "Shinshin" no será el reemplazo inmediato de Mitsubishi F-2 al servicio de la Fuerza Aérea japonesa. Se espera sin embargo que es la base de una plataforma que sustituirá a los aviones. Mistubishi F3 El futuro debe basarse en el proyecto de ATD-X, pero los militares japoneses se han opuesto tanto al público, que no puede apoyar el desarrollo la aeronave, así como todavía se puede esperar algo de la presión de Estados Unidos. diversas corrientes de opinión en Japón apoyará el desarrollo junto con los Estados Unidos de una generación de caza sexto, lo que hará que los combatientes futuro de la 5 ª generación a largas distancias . Estos sistemas se basan en sensores e introducir bastante revolucionario armas de energía dirigida (láser) en el avión, algo que usted sabe ya está siendo estudiada por los estadounidenses.

http://www.areamilitar.net/noticias/not ... NrNot=1133

http://fuerzasmilitaresdelmundo.blogspo ... -2016.html

Ojala se les dé el desarrollo a los japoneses tienen muy buenas ideas y tecnología pero la decisión del f35 podría acabar este proyecto
saludos cordiale