Crisis en las Relaciones Turco-Israelíes

[ZULU 031]

¿Y ese retrasado está en prisión?

Hay un reporteje en concreto sobre este adolescente, en el National y en 2007 seguía en la trena

[tayun]

Básicamente, Valerio, un "soplagaitas" es un tonto

O un gaitero,.... coloquialmente.

Entonces no lo pondré, no vaya a ofender a nadie o se considere un "agravio personal".

Cierto, es mejor que uses "soplapollas".

[Yorktown]

Los de REUTERS no se cansan de hacer el ridículo?

AMENAZABA A UN SOLDADO ISRAELÍ

Reuters manipuló una foto para borrar el cuchillo de un "pacifista" de la Flotilla



http://www.libertaddigital.com/mundo/re ... 276394761/

[Mactinez]

Na hombre, si eso es un phoshop y el cuchillo lo han puesto los medios informativos pagados por los sionistas.....

O alguna explicadion similar lo encontraran algunos ,como que es un cuchillo de autodefensa,o "que estaba tallando un barquito de madera y como vio que el soldado se caia por las escaleras fue ayudarle"...

[Mauricio]

Probe: Erdogan knew Gaza flotilla would be violent

Probe by private body of Israel's intelligence officials finds that some 'Mavi Marmara' activists were part of an organized group that was prepared for a violent conflict.

By Anshel Pfeffer

An investigation by a private body of Israel's intelligence officials has found that the Gaza flotilla activists aboard the "Mavi Marmara" who clashed with Israel Navy forces last week were part of an organized group that was prepared for a violent conflict.
An activist holding a knife aboard a Gaza-bound aid ship

An activist holding a knife aboard a Gaza-bound aid ship on May 31, 2010.
Photo by: Provided by IDF Spokesperson's Unit

The report, which was published by the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (Malam), also found that the group was supported by the Turkish government and that Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was aware of the plans for violence.

Malam is a private organization that serves as an unofficial branch of Israel's intelligence community and in the past has been a medium through which Israel's intelligence findings were made known to the public.

According to the investigation, while most of the 500 Mavi Marmara passengers were humanitarian activists and volunteers who underwent a security check before boarding the ship in the Antalya port, a group of 40 IHH activists boarded the ship in an Istanbul port beforehand, and separated themselves from the rest of the passengers throughout the journey.

These activists boarded the ship without a security ship and were equipped with communication devices, flack jackets embroidered with Turkish flags, and gas masks. The activists turned the upper deck into their headquarters and refused entry to the other passengers. Among the activists was a clear internal hierarchy wherein specific activists acted as commanders.

The leader of the Islamic organization, Bülent Yıldırım, was on the Mavi Marmara and briefed the IHH members about two hours before the Israeli Navy arrived at the ship. Their main objective was to hold back the soldiers with any means available, and to push them back into the sea.

The ship did not allow weapons on board, however, the IHH members stocked up won metal rods, knives cut the ships metal rail which they used to attack the soldiers.

According to an officer who was aboard the ship, a confrontation started when the ship's crewmates heard the IHH members sawing the railing into metal rods, but they were unable to confiscate them from them.

The IHH members gathered all the knives from all six cafeterias on board the ship, as well as the axes from the fire extinguishers on the deck, all of which served as weapons in the attack against the Navy commandos who landed on the deck.

Before the takeover, all the passengers who were not related to the IHH protestors were lowered into the belly of the ship and were ordered to remain there. Only journalists and security personnel were allowed access to the ship's deck.

The footage filmed on deck matched the testimonies of the passengers that claimed they did not witness any violence, as they were denied access to the deck, where the violent attack occurred.

The testimonies are also similar to the version given by the Navy commandos who said that they fought with a group of approximately 50 people who used every weapon available to attack them.

Eight of the nine dead were identified as IHH members.

Files found on laptops owned by the IHH members pointed at strong ties between the movement and Turkey's prime minister. Some of the activists even said that Erdogan was personally involved in the flotilla's preparations.

They also said that they knew in advance that their chances of making it into Gaza were slim, but their initial goal was to "to expose Israel's true face to the world."

An IHH journalist said during his investigation with Israeli security forces that "the Turks set a trap for you and you fell straight into it." He also said that the recent flotilla was the first in many.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... bled=false

[Adiutrix]

En el New York Times, se vé el cuchillo.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/0 ... e-of-raid/

Todas estas fotos fueron tomadas por la gente que estaba a bordo del buque, y aparecieron en el diario turco Hürryet, entregadas por los organizadores de la misión. Osea, no se ve que del lado de ellos haya intención de ocultar nada. Son de las tarjetas de memoria que escaparon a la requisa de los israelíes.

Para los que califican a los tipos del Mavi Marmara como unas bestias "terroristas" y mercenarios a sueldo sedientos de sangre, hay tomas que muestran otro lado del asunto.

A este de acá le curan las heridas luego de la soberana paliza que le dieron.
http://www.internethaber.com/israilden- ... 784-p2.htm
Osea, en el Mavi Marmara había de todo. Como en botica.

[Yorktown]

No, si la que había manipulado era Reuters.

Osea, en el Mavi Marmara había de todo. Como en botica

Los israelies dijero que en el ataque participaron unos 60 pasajeros. De todas maneras, el resto, si bien no se les puede acusar de nada en tanto en cuanto al ataque, no me merece ni el mínimo respeto, para empezar, por negarse a entregar una carta de su padre a un tipo que lleva secuestrado 4 años. No tienen ninguna obligación de hacerlo, por supuesto, ni yo de respetarlos, claro esta, ni de desearles ningún bien .

Saludos.

[Isocrates]

Dejando de lado que, al parecer, la organización dice que sí estaban dispuestos a entregar la carta, no acabo de entender colmo puede pedirles Israel que lleven a Gaza una carta si no va a dejarles llegar a Gaza bajo ningún concepto.

[Adiutrix]

Yorktown, en la cuestión aquella de desearle el mal a esas personas. Eso el algo personal tuyo, yo no tengo ningún derecho en lo absoluto para opinar en algo como eso.

Pero en el tema específico de la carta, el asunto es más complicado de lo que se lo ha presentado aquí.

De lo que he leído, allí lo que hubo fue una especie de oferta de toma y daca. El padre del soldado secuestrado (acto infame de una guerra infame) les propuso mediar en el tema de su arribo a Gaza a cambio de que lleven consigo un paquete y una carta para su hijo.

[Yorktown]

Dejando de lado que, al parecer, la organización dice que sí estaban dispuestos a entregar la carta, no acabo de entender colmo puede pedirles Israel que lleven a Gaza una carta si no va a dejarles llegar a Gaza bajo ningún concepto.

Israel no tiene manitas ni boquita. El padre de Gilad si, él fue quien se lo pidió.

El padre del soldado secuestrado (acto infame de una guerra infame) les propuso mediar en el tema de su arribo a Gaza a cambio de que lleven consigo un paquete y una carta para su hijo.

Más a mi favor.

Saludos.

[Adiutrix]

¿Porqué a tu favor? Qué te hace pensar que estas personas debían negociar la entrega de esa ayuda.

Recuerda que para ellos, el bloqueo es ilegal y criminal. La ayuda a Gaza debería, de acuerdo a ellos, llegar sin condicionamientos de ningun tipo.

Tienen de su lado la Resolución 1860 del Consejo de Seguridad de la Organización de las Naciones Unidas.

Saludos.

[Yorktown]

Recuerda que para ellos, el bloqueo es ilegal y criminal. La ayuda a Gaza debería, de acuerdo a ellos, llegar sin condicionamientos de ningun tipo.

Vale, pues cogen la carta, se la entregan, y le dicen al padre que mucho gusto pero que no hace falta que medie en nada. Que su intención no es hacer llegar ayuda a Gaza, si no romper el bloqueo.

Tienen de su lado la Resolución 1860 del Consejo de Seguridad de la Organización de las Naciones Unidas

Enhorabuena.

Saludos.

[Adiutrix]

Y si cogían la carta, ¿los dejaban pasar o igual los abordaban?

[Isocrates]

Esto es lo que dice "Freegaza" sobre el asunto de la carta

Israel claims that we refused to deliver a letter and package from POW Gilad Shalit's father. This is a blatant lie. We were first contacted by lawyers representing Shalit's family Wednesday evening, just hours before we were set to depart from Greece. Irish Senator Mark Daly (Kerry), one of 35 parliamentarians joining our flotilla, agreed to carry any letter and deliver it to UN officials inside Gaza. As of this writing, the lawyers have not responded to Sen. Daly, electing instead to attempt to smear us in the Israeli press.

http://www.freegaza.org/en/home/56-news ... m-flotilla

Y también

The Irish members of a Parliamentary delegation travelling to Gaza on the flotilla have this morning written to the father of Gilad Shalit, the Israeli soldier in captivity in Gaza, in response to a letter received by the Free Gaza movement in which Shalit's parents asked that letters and parcels from Shalit’s family be given to their son.

Aengus Ó Snodaigh TD, Chris Andrews TD and Senator Mark Daly have agreed to personally hand the letters and parcels to the Red Cross in Gaza or to their fellow Irishman John Ging, head of UNRWA in Gaza. They have also agreed to reiterate their call for the release of Gilad Shalit when they reach Gaza.

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/96774


o, tal como apareció en la página web del Sinn Fein el 27 de mayo

Irish Parliamentarians offer to bring family's letters and parcels to Captured Israeli soldier Gilat Schalit

May 27, 2010

The Irish members of a Parliamentary delegation who are going on the flotilla to Gaza this morning (Friday 27th may) have written to the father of the Israeli soldier in captivity Gilat Schalit in response to a letter received by the Free Gaza movement. In that letter Namon Schalit asked that letters and parcels from Gilat’s family be given to their son.

Deputy Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Deputy Chris Andrews and Senator Mark Daly have agreed to personally hand the letters and parcels to the Red Cross in Gaza or to their fellow Irish man John Ging Head of the United Nation's Relief and Works Agency in Gaza. The three Irish members of parliament are part of an international group of parliamentarians bringing aid to Gaza from countries including Sweden, Bulgaria, Italy and Mayalsia.

They will be asking the Red Cross and John Ging to try and ensure that Gilad receives the letter, parcels and that he gets visits from the Red Cross. They have also agreed to reiterate their call when in Gaza for the release of Gilat Schalit.

Aengus O'Snodaigh TD can be contacted on 00353879786999
Chris Andrews TD can be contacted on 00353872851515
Senator Mark Daly can be contacted on 00353868032612

Según su versión, parece desprenderse que rehusaron la mediación con las autoridades israelíes pero aceptaron hacer llegar cualquier carta hasta donde ellos podían llevarla.

[Yorktown]

"We asked whether it would be possible to transfer something humanitarian to Gilad; a letter from his father, from his mother, or from his sister. Regrettably, the sail organizers refused, saying their interest is to break the blockade on Gaza."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 67,00.html

Yo prefiero creer al padre de Gilad que al Sinn Fein.

Y si cogían la carta, ¿los dejaban pasar o igual los abordaban?

Los abordaban, claro. El padre de ese soldado no es el Ministro de Defensa de Israel ni el Jefe del Estado del Mayor.

Pero los tipos de la flotilla iban a hacer el bien o a hacer política?

Saludos.