Sursumkorda escribió:
Tal vez, soy yo quien no debe tomarse muy en serio tu indignación. El Norte tuvo, hasta 1968, siempre a la población negra como infrahombres. Mientras el Sur diferenciaba entre esclavos y negros libres, estos últimos con sus derechos reconocidos, los EE.UU. solo consideró un tipo de negro: el negro libre pero sin derechos.
Por favor, un disparate tras otro. Ya está bien.
Dejemos de lado que pretendas que sea una regulación mejor para los negros "diferenciar entre esclavos y no esclavos" que prohibir la esclavitud. Es ... casi incalificable, pero dejémoslo de momento.
Recordemos, por ejemplo, la normativa de Carolina del Norte
¿Distinción entre negros libres y esclavos? Sí, la primera y más evidente que los negros libres pueden volver a esclavizarse
If any slave shall refuse or neglect to leave the State within ninety days after permission to emancipate him or her has been granted as aforesaid by any Superior Court, or shall ever come within the State after having left it, it shall be the duty of any justice of the peace of any county wherein said slave may be found, to issue a warrant to arrest said slave, and he shall, upon proper proof being made of his or her having violated the provisions of this act, commit him or her to the jail of the county, there to remain until the next ensuing term of the Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions, where an issue shall be made up and immediately tried, whether the accused has violated the provisions of this act; and upon the finding of the Jury that the accused has so done, he, she or they shall, by the said Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions, be ordered to be sold, which sale shall vest an absolute right of property in the purchaser in and to the accused, and the proceeds thereof be equally divided between the informer and the wardens of the poor of the county.
¿Y si voy a visitar al primo Vinny a Caroliona del Norte? Pues hasta diez años esclavitud. Por negro y libre, que es que hay cosas que no pueden ser.
It shall not be lawful for any free negro, or mulatto to migrate into this State: and if he or she shall do so, contrary to the provisions of this act, and being thereof informed, shall not within twenty days thereafter, remove out of the state, he or she being thereof convicted in manner hereinafter directed, shall be liable to a penalty of five hundred dollars; and upon failure to pay the same, within the time prescribed in the judgment awarded against such person or persons, he or she shall be liable to be held in servitude, and at labor for a term of time not exceeding ten years,
Por supuesto, mucho cuidado con las mentes ociosas. ¿No trabajas? Pues tres años de esclavitud, para que tengas algo que qué pensar.
If any free negro, or mulatto, in any county of this State, who is able to labour, shall be found spending his or her time in idleness and dissipation, or having no regular or honest employment or occupation which he or she is accustomed to follow, it shall and may be lawful for any citizen to apply to a justice of the peace of said county; and upon affidavit to obtain a warrant to arrest such person and bring him or her before some justice of said county; and if upon examination of the cause, it shall appear to said justice that the said free negro or mulatto comes within the provisions of this act, the said justice shall bind him or her with reasonable security to appear at the next county court of said county; and in case he or she shall fail to give security, such free negro or mulatto shall be committed to the jail of the county until the next county court thereafter; and it shall be the duty of the said court, if upon examination of the case, he or she shall come within the meaning of this act, to require such free negro or mulatto to enter into bond with sufficient security, in such sum as may be considered by the court reasonable, payable to the State of North Carolina, conditioned for his or her good behaviour and industrious, peaceable deportment for one year: and in case he or she shall fail to give such security, or shall not pay the costs and charges of the prosecution, it shall be lawful for the said court, and they are hereby required to hire out such free negro, or mulatto for a term of time to service and labour, which to them may seem reasonable and just, and calculated to reform him or her to habits of industry and morality, not exceeding three years for any one offence. (1826 c 21 s 5)
Y si sales del Estado a Visitar al primo Vincent, pues lo puedes perder todo. Todo.Está bien. menos mal que la ley les reconocía sus derechos.
If any free negro or person of colour who may be a resident of this State, shall migrate from this State and go into any other State, and shall be absent for the space of ninety days or more, it shall not be lawful for such free negro or person of colour to return to this State;
Y cuidado con tratar con esclavos. Que negros con negros es mejor que no jueguen ni a las cartas
It shall not be lawful for any free negro, mulatto or person of mixed blood, descended from negro ancestors to the fourth generation inclusive (though one ancestor of each generation may have been a white person) to play at any game of cards, dice, nine pins, or any game of chance or hazard, whether for money, liquor or any kind of property, or not, with any slave or slaves; and any free negro, mulatto or person of mixed blood as aforesaid, so offending, shall, upon conviction before any court having jurisdiction, receive a whipping, not exceeding thirty-nine lashes on his or her bare back.
¿Libertad de expresión? Va ser que no
Ah, 39 latigazos, que el silencio con sangre entra.
It shall not be lawful under any pretence for any slave, or free person of colour to preach or exhort in public or in any manner to officiate as a preacher or teacher in any prayer meeting, or other association for worship where slaves of different families are collected together; and if any free person of colour shall be thereof duly convicted on indictment before any court having jurisdiction thereof, he shall, for each offence, receive, not exceeding thirty-nine lashes on his bare back; and where any slave shall be guilty of a violation of this act, he shall, on conviction before a single magistrate, receive not exceeding thirty-nine lashes on his bare back. (1831 c 4 s 1)
¿Y juntarse a bailar? Por favor...
No person shall grant permission for any meeting or meetings of the negroes of others, or people of colour, at his, her or their houses, or on his, her or their plantation for the purpose of drinking or dancing, under the penalty of forfeiting twenty dollars on conviction of such offence, in any court having jurisdiction thereof, unless such slave shall have a special permit in writing or otherwise from his or her owner for that purpose.
Ah, por enseñarse a leer entre los propios esclavos, hasta 39 latigazos. No es lo mismo, pero es una muestra tan hermosa del carácter de esa bella tierra sureña.
If any slave shall teach or attempt to teach, any other slave to read or write, the use of figures excepted, he or she may be carried before any justice of the peace, and on conviction thereof, shall be sentenced to receive thirty-nine lashes on his or her bare back. (1830
Tal vez pretendas que Chicago y Detroit, por poner un par de ejemplos, estaban en el Sur. ¿Podemos hablar del barrio de Harlem, en Nueva York (Ciudad de un Estado Confederado de toda la vida)?
En cualquier caso, creo haber demostrado en palabras del propio
Presidente Lincoln, que el Norte no luchaba contra la esclavitud:
"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so". (1)
"No tengo ningún propósito, directa o indirectamente, de interferir con la institución de la esclavitud en los Estados donde existe. Creo que no tengo ningún derecho legal para hacerlo, y no tengo ninguna intención de hacerlo".
(1) Párrafo 4 de Abraham Lincoln. First Inaugural Address. Monday, March 4, 1861.
Cuando tu defendías, que fue una "cruzada" del Norte contra la esclavitud del Sur.
Ya me gustaría saber dónde o cómo he defendido yo eso. Claro, que mantienes que los negros libres del Sur eran personas "con sus derechos reconocidos", así que otra puede asombrarme...
Y tienes que el propio Lincoln, dice que no. Que es, a fin de cuentas, lo que estábamos debatiendo. Si la causa de la guerra es la esclavitud, o la reunificacón de los Estados.
No, lo que debatíamos es si el hecho de que la causa de secesión fuera el deseo de perpetuar y extender la esclavitud vicia la causa del Sur. Y lo hace, vaya si lo hace. Y cualquier empeño en intentar pretender que la causa del Norte tiene el mismo vicio es... bueno, ya lo vemos.
Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives... You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side now here in this country of ours...
