T-72 Vs. M60A3TTS

[T64]

De que dardo se refieren? M-900?

[Mauricio]

La verdad en este momento NPI de la denominación. Es su dardo mas reciente, el que estan intentando vender a quien lo compre. Obviamente no van a decir que es maluco y que mejor te compres un 120, ¿Verdad?

[T64]

Lo mas seguro es que penetre mas que las últimas 125mm!

[Patrulla Aspa]

O sea que me estáis afirmando que un carro de una generación posterior tiene un sistema de termoimágenes inferior al del anterior!!

No sé pero tengo mis dudas!!!

Bueno eso de los 105, yo diría que es sospechoso que el último carro israelí tiene un cañón de 120 y no de 105.

[Patrulla Aspa]

Naturalmente, en todas las verisones Magach y en los Merkava I, la cuestión está en que vuestros potenciales enemigos a día de hoy, los sirios, tienen como carro más potente el T-72 y contra eso podéis tranquilamente pero que pasaría si os enfrentáis a un Challeger I de Jordania o a los M1 de Egipto?. Seguro que los carros principales sería Merkava III y IV ya que dudo que el alto mando quiera arriesgar otros carros por buenas municiones que haya desarrollado IMI.

[Bushmaster]

Jordania si tiene Challenger

The only nation known to be operating Challenger 1 is Jordan, where the 274 tanks in service are known as Khalid. Under an agreement signed in March 1999, another 288 Challenger 1s are to be supplied to Jordan over a three-year period to enable the Jordanian fleet of Centurion MBTs (locally called Tariq) to be replaced.

http://www.armedforces.co.uk/army/listings/l0022.html

SALUDOS

[Bushmaster]

Ariel, no es erronea:

Source : British Ministry of Defence)



;His Majesty King Abdullah received at the Raghadan Palace today Lord Gilbert, UK Minister for Defence Procurement. Following the meeting, it was announced jointly that an agreement in principle had been reached for the UK Government to supply Challenger 1 Main Battle tanks to the Jordanian Armed Forces.
;Speaking in Amman today, Lord Gilbert said:
;"The United Kingdom has historic and warm relations with Jordan. I am very pleased to be able to announce the initiative to make available the Challenger 1 tank to Jordan's armed forces. This signal of support to Jordan demonstrates clearly the strength of our continuing friendship with Jordan and our confidence in HM King Abdullah's new government."
;The Challenger 1 tanks are in the process of being withdrawn from the British Army following the introduction into service of Challenger 2. Government-to-Government discussions on exact numbers and delivery dates will take place over the next few months. The intent is for the Challenger 1 tanks to replace the Centurion-based Tariq Main Battle Tank.
;Challenger 1 will offer high levels of commonality with the Khalid Main Battle Tank currently in service with the Jordanian Armed Forces

SALUDOS

[Bushmaster]

Quizas en dicho momento no estuviesen en servicio, hoy en dia si lo estan, mis fuentes son el MOD .

SALUDOS

[shomer]

mis fuentes son los libros de identificacion del enemigo de tzahal que teniamos en la base

Los manuales de Tzahal son correctos, los carros Al Khalid son los chieftain mejorados, .... los Challenger I son llamados Al Hussein !

Salu2

[Bushmaster]

Quizas la confusion provenga de que el nombre "Khalid" se asigna a numerosos CCs en Oriente Medio. (Iran, Pakistan, Jordania...) En Iran por ejemplo, el Chieftain modificado si tiene la denominacion "khalid".
En Jordania el Challenger se llama "khalid" y el Chieftain modificado "Shir-1".

SALUDOS

[Patrulla Aspa]

Shomer tiene razón, de hecho si no me equivocó existe un proyecto de torre para los Ch1 jordanos.

[shomer]

... de hecho si no me equivocó existe un proyecto de torre para los Ch1 jordanos.

La torreta se llama Falcon 2 y fue desarrollada en gran parte con tecnologia sudafricana, parece que los jordanos quieren sustituir los L11 originales de 120 mm. por este nuevo canion !



Salu2

[Patrulla Aspa]

Os cuelgo lo que he encontrado de Jane's

Jordan unveils new turret for Al Hussein main battle tank

By Robin Hughes, JDW Deputy News Editor, Amman, Jordan

The King Abdullah II Design and Development Bureau (KADDB) of Jordan, in an exclusive briefing to Jane's Defence Weekly, has revealed details of an indigenously developed turret incorporating a 120mm smooth-bore gun. The intended platform for the turret is believed to be the Jordanian Armed Forces' Al Hussein (ex-British Army Challenger 1) main battle tank (MBT).

Development of the Falcon 2 turret, designated within KADDB as project AB9C5, has been conducted as part of the MERLIN programme, which involves intellectual development and technology transfer between the South African defence-industrial private sector and Jordan. Concept design, development, prototyping and project management has been led by KADDB, in close partnership with the Mechanology Design Bureau (MDB) and IST Dynamics of South Africa. It is supported by other elements of the Jordanian, South African, Swiss and UK defence industries.

Now in the final stages of development, Falcon 2 interface verification was scheduled for completion last month, following which it is expected to be dropped into an Al Hussein hull by the end of the year. KADDB plans to unveil the complete vehicle officially at the IDEX international defence exhibition in Abu Dhabi in March 2003. KADDB officials told JDW that fitting the Falcon to the Al Hussein hull involved a "straightforward interface".

The primary armament for the Falcon 2 turret is RUAG Land Systems' L50 120mm smooth-bore compact tank gun. King Abdullah II of Jordan told JDW that improved lethality, combined with concerns about the obsolescence of the Al Hussein's (UK BAE Systems RO Defence) L11 120mm rifled gun and ammunition had been a driving factor in developing the programme.

The South African government is understood to have expressed an interest in the Falcon as part of its revived MBT requirement, and South African industry sources said that the Falcon 2 turret's development could provide the impetus for a collaborative project with Jordan to develop a new MBT hull.

La foto ya la ha puesto Shomer.

Saludos a todos de Ex-Mirlo un exiliado

[T64]

Oigan gente, por que algunos de ustedes dicen que el M-60 es malo? Comparado con tanques de otra generacion los M-60 son malos. Pero comprados contra sus contemporaneos, el T-62 y el 55 es mucho mas que comparable.

[Patrulla Aspa]

Pues básicamente por lo Siguiente:

En el ejército de Israel el Centurion siempre fue a las unidades de élite, mientras que el M-60 no. Supongo quE es una buena razón esta. Por otra parte está el sistema hidráulico de accionamiento de la torre , la altura excesiva del carro, las mediocres prestaciones, etc.... Si te parece poco.

Claro que el T-72 no le va a la zaga.