JQA escribió:El cambio de cometido se realizó despues de la orden de producción del F-101A, que en principio, y ya con esa denominación, iba a ir equipado con un radar APS-54, cuatro cañones de 20mm, tres misiles falcon y una docena de cohetes no guiados. Que posteriormente se cambiase el cometido es otra cuestión.
los misiles falcons y los cohetes no guiado era en esa época un armamento standard de interceptacion de grandes y feos bombarderos.
habia 3 ramas interesadas en el voodoo: SAC TAC y ADF
la version original, del SAC, nunca se construyó... no se si algunos pedidos de pre-produccion del F-101A fueron pedidos por el SAC antes de cancelar el proyecto, y luegos tomados por el TAC.
pero cohetes guiados y misiles falcons no es un armamento que se le pondria a un caza de acompañamiento como era el F-88 original del SAC.
y para el TAC, el F-101 no tenia mas sentido que el que tuvo: o como avion de ataque o como avion de reconocimiento, por lo tanto, el armamento igual de interceptacion no era coheterente con cualquier avion del TAC o sus misiones.
quizas si lo que dices es verdad, serian planes de un interceptor (y 3 misiles falcons? si solo habian las estaciones del fuselajes que fijas o moviles eran en pares) omitido luego por el F-101B con el RIO como GIB
Por otra parte, la versión numéricamente más importante del Voodoo fue el F-101B, un interceptor todo tiempo. 479 F-101B contra 77 F-101A, 37 RF-101A y 47 F-101C. Una proporción casi de tres a uno.
eso es verdad... el f-101B interceptador de largo alcance todo tiempo del ADF.
el F-101A/C del tac con su mision nuclear solo fue un programa temporal mientras llegaba el F-105...
y despues el TAC desarrollo el TFX como sustituto del F-105, que habia sustituido el F-101 en esas misiones de penetracion de teatro.
y es donde nos llevan ese tremendo offtopics, derivado de seguirle literalmente las definiciones a los gringos (recuerdo en el sub-foro de la SGM en la trivia hablando de algo similar que hacian los alemanes en las ardenas)
antes de buscar mis archivos... veremos los que nos dice la Web respecto al F-101A/C, F-105, F-100D y F-111:
vamos a citar al señor joe baugher, porque sintetiza mucho de la literatura aceptada como veridica del tema,
North American F-100 Super Sabre, David A. Anderton, Osprey, 1987
The North American F-100 Super Sabre, Ray Wagner, Aircraft in Profile, 1965.
The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Aircraft Armament, Bill Gunston, Orion, 1988.
United States Military Aircraft Since 1909, Gordon Swanborough and Peter M. Bowers, Smithsonian, 1989.
The American Fighter, Enzo Angelucci and Peter Bowers, Orion, 1987.
Fighters of the United States Air Force, Robert F. Dorr and David Donald, Temple Press Aerospace, 1990.
American Combat Planes, Third Enlarged Edition, Ray Wagner, Doubleday, 1982.
Post-World War II Fighters, 1945-1973, Marcelle Size Knaack, Office of Air Force History, 1986.
E-mail from Jack Daub, who flew MiG CAPs in Vietnam.
E-mail from Michael Stover on F-100D being with 163rd TFS, Indiana ANG.
E-mail from Larry on F-100 experiences.
asiq ue por extension... tiene uno de los toques de veracidad mas confiables en la web, -aparte de hablero visto en un par de shows por lo menos- no solo porque existe antes de cualquier otra fuente, sino que es fuente de todo lo que siguió luego, incluyendo paginas dedicadas como F-16.net, F-111.org F-100.org o wikipedia, plagados de copy&paste de sus articulos:
F-100D:
The F-100D was intended as a dedicated fighter-bomber, with no concession being made to a secondary air-superiority role.
Also introduced with the 184th F-100D was a provision for centerline-mounted fuselage attachment points. These points could carry "special stores"-a euphemistic term for nuclear weapons.
con esto, y sabiendo que:
The mission of the F-100A was seen as that of daylight air superiority, and the aircraft was pictured as the natural replacement of the F-86A/E/F Sabre of Korean War fame
podemos, intuir, que siguiendo estrictamente el tri-service designation system introducido en 1962, el F-100D pudo haberse llamado claramente AF-100D, porque es un avion caza modificado para misiones de ataque primordialmente, con una secundaria funcion aire-aire...
pero seguimos:
el F-101:
The McDonnell F-101 Voodoo twin-engined fighter was originally designed as a long range escort fighter to accompany the bombers of the Strategic Air Command if they were ever called upon to carry out their mission of nuclear strike against the Soviet Union. The Voodoo was destined never to serve in this particular role--it eventually emerged as a tactical reconnaissance aircraft, as a long-range interceptor, and as a nuclear strike aircraft.
JQA aca esta la parte que colocaste:
The F-101A was to be equipped with APS-54 radar and was to be armed with four 20-mm cannon as well as three Falcon air-to-air missiles and 12 unguided rockets. For ferrying purposes, the ammunition for the four 20-mm cannon could be replaced by a single 226-gallon auxiliary fuel tank.
y quizas lo que mencióne de los prototipos:
The mockup was inspected in July of 1952. On May 28, 1953, the USAF issued an initial contract for 39 F-101As. No prototypes were specified, since the usual prototype stage was being skipped altogether.
pero se te olvidó mencionar esto que estaba mas abajo:
The coming of peace in Korea in July of 1953 removed some of the sense of urgency connected with the F-101 program. By this time, the USAF had changed its mind and wanted McDonnell to redesign the aircraft so that it could not only carry out the originally-planned long-range escort mission but could also carry out nuclear strike missions In May of 1954, the Air Force got cold feet about the wisdom of going directly into production with the F-101A and withdrew its authorization to proceed with quantity production and decided to wait until Category II flight tests could be carried out and all the required changes could be made. The target date for the completion of these tests was set for sometime in March of 1955.
The first F-101A (53-2418) was delivered in August of 1954, right on schedule. After completing some ground trials in St. Louis, it was shipped out to Edwards AFB. It took off on its maiden flight on September 29, 1954,
que pasó aqui?
pues la USAF cancelo la orden inicial de los 39 f-101 de escolta y solo dió paso a 1 prototipo que fue el que volo en 1954... y despues de la cancelacion del F-101 de escolta, ya le habian asignado una mision de ataque nuclear, o sea, un avion de ataque... asi que nunca hubo un F-101A caza, menos con los problemas presentados luego (como el limite de AOA o el de 6.33G y otros que lo hacian inseguro como avion de maniobra)
pero seguimos:
In the meantime, the USAF had changed its mind yet again about its requirements. They now concluded that the range of the F-101A, impressive as it was, was not nearly large enough to be able to escort SAC's bombers all the way to the target. Consequently, the Strategic Air Command no longer believed in the viability of the F-101 concept and lost any interest in the aircraft as an escort fighter. Ordinarily, this would have been the end of the line for the F-101A project, and the F-101 would have been consigned to oblivion along with its XF-88 predecessor. Fortunately, the Tactical Air Command (TAC) saw the potential of the aircraft as a nuclear-armed fighter-bomber and requested that the F-101A be acquired by them under the aegis of Weapon System WS-105A. This designation corresponded to a short-lived Pentagon fad of assigning a "WS" number to its ships, tanks, and aircraft. Consequently, the F-101A that finally emerged became a hybrid aircraft, fitted with APS-54 radar and a MA-7 fire-control system for the air-to-air role, and a LABS (Low-Altitude Bombing System) for the delivery of nuclear bombs.
On October 28, 1954, the Air Force lifted its production hold order, permitting McDonnell to proceed with full-scale production
ya la orden inicial de 39, fue tomada por el TAC y para un avion de ataque nuclear.
de nuevo, no hubo ningun f-101A puramente caza.
The F-101A was armed with four 20-mm cannon and could carry a single 1620 lb or 3271-lb "special store", i.e., a nuclear bomb. The F-101As were equipped with the MA-7 fire control system as well with the LABS (Low-altitude Bombing System) for toss-release of their nuclear bombs. The F-101A could not carry or deliver conventional bombs.
4 cañones (todo su armamento A-A) y solo bombas nucleares.... que es eso? un caza de superioridad aerea?
ahora vamos con el F-105:
The F-105 Thunderchief was the first supersonic tactical fighter-bomber that was developed from scratch for this role. All others before it were adaptations of aircraft that had originally been developed as pure fighters. The Thunderchief has the distinction of being the largest single-seat, single-engined fighter ever built.
que quiere decir con esto?
que desde la era del jet, el P-80, F-84, F-86, F-100 y F-101, el F.105 fue el primero que fue diseñado como "fighter-bomber" desde su concepcion...
y seguia teniendo la designacion F.... pero por que? si el avion similar contemporaneo de la navy tenia la designacion A (A-5 vigilante)
porque:
The F-105B was the initial production version of the Thunderchief... ... The first unit to receive the F-105B was the 335th Tactical Fighter Squadron of the 4th Tactical Fighter Wing of the TAC.
y todos sabemos, que un vulcan de 20mm y un par de sidewinder no hace un avion caza, solo un avion de aatque con capacidad de antordefensa aerea limitada (como el tornado IDS)
asi que podemos, como el tornado, jaguar y otros aviones de ataque, definir al F-105 como un avion de ataque tambien... aunque tengan la definicio de F (fighter) y no de A, AF, F/A u otra...
y el F-111... que será?
The history of the F-111 begins back in the late 1950s. At that time, the Tactical Air Command (TAC) of the USAF expressed a future need for a replacement for the F-100, F-101, and F-105 fighter-bombers which were currently in service.
entonces, si el F-111 comenzó su historia como un avion de ataque para reemplazar a los aviones de ataque del TAC como lo eran el F-100 (F-100D) F-101 (F-101A/C) y F-105, como demonios alguien piensa que el F-111 la USAF lo pidió como un avion caza puro? y peor que vengan a argumentar que porque tiene la designacion F.
omitiendo las especificaciones previas... podemos citar la especificaciones que dieron pie al F-111:
Specific Operational Requirement number 183 (SOR-183), issued on June 14, 1960. It called for an attack aircraft capable of achieving a Mach 2.5 performance at high altitude and a low-level dash capability of Mach 1.2. It was to have a short and rough airfield performance, and was to be capable of operating out of airfields as short as 3000 feet in length. The low-level radius was to be 800 miles, including 400 miles right down on the deck at Mach 1.2 speeds. In addition, it was to have an unrefuelled ferry range capable of crossing the Atlantic Ocean. It was to have a 1000-pound internal payload plus a lifting payload between 15,000 and 30,000 pounds. The Air Force considered that a variable sweep wing and a turbofan engine would be needed to satisfy these requirements.
ese fue el avion que resultó en el F-111... cumpliendo este SOR.
y todo esto citado es congruente con lo que sale en la enciclopedia oficial de la USAF.
entonces, el F-111 NUNCA fue un avion concebido como caza, menos en un principio
y la designacion F no corresponde a solo aviones cazas puros, sino tambien a cazabombarderos (como el F-100D, el F-16, e F-15E y el F-35) y a aviones de ataque (como el F-105, F-111, F-117)
