Fuerzas Armadas de Colombia (2008-2010)

[FERNANDO CELIS CRUZ]

Hay que preguntarle a los que han armado el escándalo. Yo soy vecino también, y no he armado ningún escándalo.

Saludos.

disculpe usted, pensaba que tambien estaba defendiendo el circo

saludos

[Anderson]

Se duplicó. Sorry.

[Anderson]

Hay que preguntarle a los que han armado el escándalo. Yo soy vecino también, y no he armado ningún escándalo.

Saludos.

Muy claro forista Adiutrix, y bastante inteligente apartarse de la incómoda, débil e incongruente postura adoptada por el gobierno Correa. Y es que mientras los mandatarios bolivarianos gritan y arman escándalos hay otros paises que pasan de agache. Paises como Panamá, Perú y Costa Rica que no han dicho ni mú, más bien todo lo contrario, en el caso de Panamá y Peru han expresado ya su total apoyo y respeto por la decisión soberana de Colombia.

Y lo que más me llama la atención es que a ellos no les atemoriza que el malvado Barack Obama les lance una Tormenta del Desierto para usurparles el agua, el café o los peces Más bien andan de los más relajados y desatendidos con el asunto. Increíble en verdad.

[ironía]Que tranquilos, irresponsables y despreocupados esos países con sus recursos naturales, no te parece?[/ironía]

Un saludo.

[Daniel O'leary]

:
sólo pueden confiar en nuestra buena fe....

Esa te la compro

:y en la de los estadounidenses...

Esta, ni de vaina, ni los Colombianos se la creen

[Carlitos]

Gobierno de Colombia dice que repelerá proyecto expansionista de Chávez

12:19 AM En un comunicado dado a conocer por el nuevo embajador colombiano ante la Organización de Estados Americanos (OEA), Luis Alfonso Hoyos, el Gobierno de Álvaro Uribe respondió a las insinuaciones del presidente venezolano, Hugo Chávez en torno a que su "palabra" sea "oída" en Colombia.

Hoyos leyó un comunicado donde señala que "el gobierno Nacional repelerá todas las acciones del proyecto expansionista en Colombia, ratificado hoy públicamente por el presidente Hugo Chávez" y agrega: "De ninguna manera se puede tolerar que se insulte a los colombianos de bien", agrega la nota.

En su intervención en el programa Aló Presidente, Chávez pidió acciones para que sus mensajes y planteamientos lleguen al pueblo colombiano.

El Presidente venezolano también dijo que le "consta" que su homólogo colombiano Álvaro Uribe quiere "impedir que el chavismo llegue a Colombia".

En declaraciones a El Tiempo de Bogotá, el funcionario colombiano dijo que "además de ser insultante (el discurso de Chávez), es grosero, está hablando de una abierta intervención en la política de Colombia".

[Andrés Eduardo González]

Y si no es Uribe quien lo impida, seremos los colombianos en las urnas quienes lo haremos.

"Chávez go home".... Que ni intente siquiera arrimarse por acá...

[FERNANDO CELIS CRUZ]

:cool: Y si no es Uribe quien lo impida, seremos los colombianos en las urnas quienes lo haremos.

"Chávez go home".... Que ni intente siquiera arrimarse por acá...

tienes toda la razon, los colombianos de bien tenemos muchos años lidiando con unos terroristas que quieren implantar una patologia criminal llamada comunismo, para que otro tipo venga, con amenazas e insultos, buscando desviar la opinion internacional.

[ViC]

:cool: Y si no es Uribe quien lo impida, seremos los colombianos en las urnas quienes lo haremos.
"Chávez go home".... Que ni intente siquiera arrimarse por acá...

Claro, ni de vainas ese tipo entrará por aća, pero me tranquiliza una cosa, es q siempre lo que por Chavez viene por Chavez se vá, osea q el mismo mete las de caminar, con la ultima intervención hablando maravillas del polo democrático, ya lo enterró!, nos hizo un gran favor y cada vez que abre la boca, los candidatos como Santos o Vargas Lleras, toman mas fuerzas!

LO QUE POR CHAVEZ VIENE, POR CHAVEZ SE VA!

Saludos

[edgar alberto hernandez]

es como si uribe quisiera exportar la politica de seguridad democratica hacia venezuela , eso si con apoyo de la oposicion de ese pais , que dirian nuestro vecinos ?. eso si se deberia debatir en UNASUR , el grado de ingerencia que tiene chavez en los demas paises , no solo en colombia .ya se descaro.....
Perdon por el off topic

[pambo]

El Famoso Documento de Chavez:
con este documento va a probar que se aproximan vientos de guerra en la region.

http://www.au.af.mil/awc/africom/documents/GlobalEnRouteStrategy.pdf

WHITE PAPER
AIR MOBILITY COMMAND
GLOBAL EN ROUTE STRATEG

Este pedazo solo se refiere a la estrategia en Suramerica para leer mas visitar el link.

SOUTH AMERICAN STRATEGY:
Including South America in a global en route strategy accomplishes two results: it helps achieve the regional engagement strategy and assists with the mobility routing to Africa. Unfortunately, a South American engagement strategy that tasks airlift assets is not available. Until recently, security concerns in South America have focused on the counter-narcotics mission. That mission has not required the use of strategic airlift in its prosecution.

Recently, USSOUTHCOM has become interested in establishing a location on the South American continent that could be used both for counter-narcotics operations and as a location from which mobility operations could be executed. Consequently, with the assistance of AMCand USTRANSCOM, USSOUTHCOM has identified Palanquero, Colombia (German Olano Airfield (SKPQ)), as a cooperative security location (CSL). From this location, nearly half of the continent can be covered by a C-17 without refueling. Should suitable fuel be available at the destination, a C-17 could cover the entire continent, with the exception of the Cape Horn region in Chile and Argentina. Until such time that USSOUTHCOM establishes a more robust theater engagement plan, the strategy to place a CSL at Palanquero should be sufficient for air mobility reach on the South American continent.

In conjunction with the aforementioned CSL, Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands offer viable en route locations capable of supporting theater mobility requirements. Both San Juan and Henry Rohlsen International Airports have resident Air National Guard facilities that currently support mobility operations into South America. Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands have two of the largest sea ports in the Caribbean, minutes away from their respective international airports facilitating intermodal operations. Neither location requires international agreements, customs, or diplomatic clearances for overflight. These two airfields offer ideal hub locations to support emerging contingency and humanitarian relief operations. Finally, AMC should work closely with USTRANSCOM to establish contracts or agreements with commercial concerns for contingency fuel and aircraft support at airfields in more southern reaches of the continent.

Previously, we discussed using Ascension Island as a portal for access to the African continent. Routing to Ascension, though, requires an intermediate fuel stop and that stop would be in the Caribbean or South American region. The distance from Charleston AFB to Ascension is over 5,100NM, well outside an unrefueled C-17’s range. In the past, AMC aircraft on their way to Ascension stop in Antigua (V.C. Bird International) to refuel. The distance from Charleston AFB to Antigua is nearly 1,600NM with the remaining distance to Ascension being cut to 3,600NM.

USSOUTHCOM, in an attempt to assist with access to Africa, has postulated that Cayenne, French Guiana, could serve as a possible CSL for an intermediate fuel stop between the CONUS and Ascension. The distance from Charleston AFB to Cayenne is 2,600NM and the remaining distance to Ascension is only 2,400NM. USSOUTHCOM has also considered access to the airport at Recife, Brazil. A C-17 could depart from this location and, provided fuel is available when they land, cover approximately the same area as an unrefueled C-17 from Ascension. However, the political relationship with Brazil is not conducive to the necessary agreements. Furthermore, Recife is 4,100NM from Charleston AFB placing it just outside the point-to-point distance for a C-17. Therefore, we recommend that USSOUTHCOM continue to pursue access to the airfield at Cayenne, French Guiana.

Imagen de un C-17


http://www.au.af.mil/awc/africom/documents/GlobalEnRouteStrategy.pdf

[Daniel O'leary]

El Famoso Documento de Chavez:
con este documento va a probar que se aproximan vientos de guerra en la region.

http://www.au.af.mil/awc/africom/documents/GlobalEnRouteStrategy.pdf

Chamo ese documento es de Maxwell Air University, y eso es el equivalente a la Escuela de Guerra Aerea que hay en nuestros paises, osea que ese documento no me parece que sea ficcion o algo asi....

Air University, with headquarters at Maxwell Air Force Base, Ala., is a key component of Air Education and Training Command, and is the Air Force's center for professional military education.

MISSION [Return to Top]
As the intellectual and leadership center of the Air Force, Air University provides dynamic comprehensive education to prepare graduates to develop, employ, command, research and champion air, space, and cyberspace power at all levels.

Air University provides the full spectrum of Air Force education, from pre-commissioning to all levels of professional military education, including degree granting and professional continuing education for officers, enlisted and civilian personnel throughout their careers. AU's professional military education programs educate Airmen on the capabilities of air, space and cyberspace power and its role in national security. These programs focus on the knowledge and abilities needed to develop, employ, command, and support air and space power at the highest levels. Specialized professional continuing educational programs provide scientific, technological, managerial and other professional expertise to meet the needs of the Air Force. Air University conducts research in air and space power, education, leadership and management. The university also provides citizenship programs and contributes to the development and testing of Air Force doctrine, concepts and strategy.


VISION
The intellectual and leadership center of the Air Force. We produce the future.

PERSONNEL AND RESOURCES
Air University's primary operating locations are concentrated on three main installations. Most AU programs are at Maxwell AFB in northwest Montgomery, Ala.; some are across town at Maxwell's Gunter Annex; and one is located at Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio. Although AU draws students from throughout the Department of Defense and from the military forces of other nations, its mission is more easily described in terms of the two main groups: U.S. Air Force officers and enlisted members.


ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE [Return to Top]
Air University institutions include the Carl A. Spaatz Center for Officer Education; Jeanne M. Holm Center for Officer Accessions and Civilian Development; Thomas N. Barnes Center for Enlisted Education; Curtis E. LeMay Center for Doctrine Development and Education; Air Force Research Institute; Ira C. Eaker Center for Professional Development; and several other support organizations. AU also supports Civil Air Patrol – U.S. Air Force, which is a part of the Holm Center. The Air Force Institute of Technology is located at Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio. The 42nd Air Base Wing provides support for the AU organizations on Maxwell-Gunter and serves as AU’s host organization.


PROFESSIONAL MILITARY EDUCATION
Carl A. Spaatz Center for Officer Education

The center is named in honor of the first chief of staff of the U.S. Air Force. Each school within the Spaatz Center prepares officers from second lieutenant to colonel in the full spectrum of officer professional military education. The Spaatz Center is responsible for directing, integrating, synchronizing and supporting a continuum of officer PME, research and outreach that produces leaders for the warfighter who effectively articulate, advocate and employ air, space and cyberspace power in a joint and multinational environment.

Squadron Officer College

Squadron Officer College is Air University's college for the early development of future air, space and cyberspace leaders. Combined under SOC are the Air and Space Basic Course for second lieutenants and Squadron Officer School for captains. Together, these two schools prepare young officers for the challenges of the future and the expeditionary culture.

Air and Space Basic Course

For newly commissioned lieutenants and selected civilians, this four-week course includes modules of study ranging from core competencies and air, space and cyberspace power employment to operations planning. Approximately 2,700 students attend annually. Distance learning enrolls 9,000 students annually. ASBC's mission is to inspire new USAF officers to comprehend their roles as Airmen who live by U.S. Air Force core values, can articulate and advocate what air, space and cyberspace power brings to the fight and are dedicated as warriors in the world's most respected air, space and cyberspace force.

Squadron Officer School

This five-week course for captains with 4-7 years of experience graduates more than 3,000 officers annually. It emphasizes leadership and air, space and cyberspace power. While at SOS, officers step out of their specialties and broaden their focus on essential leadership competencies, as well as officership, leadership, problem solving, core values and the Air Force as an institution in the profession of arms. SOS provides students with an opportunity to see how their leadership skills influence team success and to also experience followership in support of other student leaders.

Air Command and Staff College

A 40-week course, ACSC educates majors and civilian equivalents in areas related to critical thinking and effective communication. ACSC focuses on air, space and cyberspace education and preparing the world's best joint strategic leaders. Students are educated on the profession of arms, air power history, international security, the requisites of command, the nature of war and the application of air, space and cyberspace power at the operational level of war through nine major courses. More than 480 students graduate annually and 11,000 students enroll in its distance learning program.

School of Advanced Air and Space Studies

SAASS is the U.S. Air Force graduate school for air, space and cyberspace power strategists. For 11 months, students encounter a challenging curriculum and outstanding educational and research resources to produce senior military leaders who are experts in the employment of air, space and cyberspace forces. Only a select 60 students from the Air Force and sister services, Air National Guard, Air Force Reserve and international students graduate from SAASS annually.

Air War College

AWC is the senior school in the Air Force professional military education system. This 44-week course for lieutenant colonels develops senior leaders for strategic-level employment of air, space and cyberspace forces. The curriculum emphasizes coalition war fighting and national security. Approximately 250 students graduate annually and 4,500 students enroll in distance learning. The course includes seminars, simulation exercises, electives, international travel and a national security symposium.

International Officers School

This seven-week course provides international officers an enhanced understanding of the United States and prepares them to attend Air War College, Air Command and Staff College or Squadron Officer School. Courses aid the international students with oral and written English to help them comprehend materials used in Air University classes. Through the Alabama Goodwill Ambassadors, a civilian sponsorship program, the international students are introduced to political, military and socioeconomic aspects of American culture.

Centers of Excellence

Centers of Excellence respond to Air Force requirements for competence in novel or specialized areas of knowledge and practice. As directed by Air Force senior leaders, they provide focused research, lessons-learned, education, outreach and support. Centers service the needs of Airmen, leaders and the Air Force organizations responsible for policy, doctrine, training and specialized military roles. They offer conceptual depth to sponsors and enable the institutional Air Force to operationalize cutting-edge knowledge in emerging fields. The Centers of Excellence are the Public Affairs Center of Excellence; Air Force Culture and Language Center; Air Force Center for Strategy and Technology; Air Force Counter Proliferation Center; National Space Studies Center; and the Cyberspace and Information Operations Study Center.

Jeanne M. Holm Center for Officer Accessions and Citizen Development

The center is named in honor of the first woman in the Air Force to be appointed to the grade of brigadier general. The Holm Center provides coordinated leadership and policy direction for the Air Force's officer recruiting, training and commissioning programs at the Air Force Officer Training School and at Air Force ROTC detachments at 144 universities. About 80 percent of the officers who enter the Air Force each year come through one of these two programs. The center’s staff also manages, supports and develops curriculum to train tomorrow's Air Force officers. The Holm Center also directs the Air Force's high school citizenship training program – Air Force Junior ROTC – and is home to Civil Air Patrol-USAF.


Air Force Reserve Officers Training Corps

Air Force ROTC is the largest source of commissioned officers for the Air Force, offering a 2- or 4-year commissioning program for college students. The ROTC program commissions approximately 1,800 second lieutenants annually.

Officer Training School

OTS provides two training programs: Basic Officer Training and Commissioned Officer Training. BOT, a 12-week course, prepares college graduates and qualified enlisted members for the professional and physical requirements of service as Air Force officers. COT, a five-week course, provides military training and leadership development for health professionals, judge advocates and chaplains that receive direct commissions in the Air Force. OTS is considered the flexible commissioning partner for the Air Force because it has the capability to quickly increase or decrease annual officer production. OTS produces about 1,600 commissioned officers annually.

Air Force Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps

Air Force Junior ROTC provides citizenship training and an aerospace science program for high school students. Air Force Junior ROTC participants do not incur any obligation to the Air Force. There are more than 870 Air Force Junior ROTC units with over 100,000 cadets in high schools across the United States and at selected Department of Defense dependent schools in Europe, the Pacific and U.S. territories.

Civil Air Patrol-U.S. Air Force

An active duty unit, CAP-USAF is collocated with the CAP National Headquarters and provides Air Force support, liaison and oversight of CAP. The CAP-USAF staff directs more than 350 members at more than 45 detachments nationwide. The liaison staff provides advice and assistance to CAP’s full-time corporate staff. CAP’s members manage all aspects of their day-to-day operations. The CAP program has more than 60,000 members in 52 wings, one in each state, as well as in Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia. CAP units also exist at several American installations overseas.


Thomas N. Barnes Center for Enlisted Education

The center is named in the honor of the fourth chief master sergeant of the Air Force. The center discharges Air University's responsibility for the education of enlisted leaders throughout the Air Force. Since its inception in 1993 as the College for Enlisted Professional Military Education, the Barnes Center has been refining, adapting and deploying PME curriculum for enlisted education in the Air Force. It now serves as the umbrella organization for all continental U.S. Air Force NCO Academies as well as the organizations listed below.


Community College of the Air Force

CCAF serves the educational needs of the Air Force enlisted community by offering associate in applied science degrees and other credentialing programs that enhance mission readiness, contribute to recruiting, assist in retention and support the career transitions of enlisted Airmen. The college is the only federally chartered institution in the United States that awards college degrees solely to USAF enlisted personnel. CCAF is accredited by the Commission of College of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools.

USAF First Sergeant Academy

The academy provides education and training to select senior noncommissioned officers to develop first sergeants who may go on as future senior enlisted Air Force leaders. Approximately 120 students graduate annually.

Air Force Enlisted Heritage Research Institute

AFEHRI is dedicated to preserving the heritage and tradition of the enlisted corps of the Air Force and U.S. Army Aeronautical Division, Air Service, Air Corps and Air Forces in the development of air power to defend the United States. The Institute achieves this by featuring artifacts, art collections, pictorial exhibits, written and oral documentation, audiovisuals, equipment and selected aircraft parts. Additionally, students use the in-house and on-line research capabilities to enhance learning and complete enlisted heritage research projects.

Air Force Senior NCO Academy

The academy provides senior noncommissioned officers with current and military education in areas of advanced leadership and management. The program is for senior noncommissioned officers from across the Department of Defense and select senior enlisted members from allied nations.

Curtis E. LeMay Center for Doctrine Development and Education

The center is named in honor of the fifth chief of staff of the Air Force. The center leads the development of operational-level doctrine and establishes the Air Force's position in joint and multinational doctrine. It also develops, examines and teaches through war games the concepts of air, space and cyberspace power doctrine and strategy. It is the hub for air, space and cyberspace doctrine development, warfighting education and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance education. The LeMay Center also provides analysis and assessments of future threat scenarios in support of educational objectives. Each year, the center coordinates, designs and executes wargames that include tactical and strategic-level warfare supporting the development of joint theater-level campaign wargames.

Air Force Research Institute

AFRI conducts independent research, outreach and engagement to enhance national security and assure the effectiveness of the U.S. Air Force. The institute produces the Strategic Studies Quarterly, an Air Force-sponsored strategic forum for military, government and academic professionals; and the Air & Space Power Journal, the professional journal of the Air Force and the leading forum for worldwide air, space and cyberspace power thought. Researchers at AFRI conduct independent studies of importance to Air Force leaders. Also part of AFRI is Air University Press, which provides professional publishing services in support of the research and writing programs of Air University and other Air Force agencies. AFRI also hosts Air University Research Boards and Air University Research Information System.

Ira C. Eaker Center for Professional Development

The center was named in honor of General Ira C. Eaker to recognize his significant contributions to the Air Force and the continuing professional development of its members. Eaker Center supports the U.S. Air Force mission by providing world-class technical training and professional continuing education to U.S. Air Force, international and other Department of Defense personnel. The college is composed of three schools: Commanders' Professional Development School; Defense Financial Management and Comptroller School; and Air Force Human Resource Management School.

Muir S. Fairchild Research Information Center

The Muir S. Fairchild Research Information Center, founded in 1946, is the premier research facility in the Department of Defense. The center was named after the founder and first commander of Air University, Gen. Muir S. Fairchild. It houses well-balanced collections especially strong in the fields of warfighting, aeronautics, Air Force and DOD operations, military sciences, international relations, education, leadership and management. The library holds more than 2.6 million items: 530,000 military documents; over 429,000 monographs and bound periodical volumes; 433,000 maps and charts; 150,000 current regulations/manuals; and more than 909,000 microforms. The center’s branch library at the U.S. Air Force Senior Noncommissioned Officer Academy provides tailored information collections and services for senior NCO professional military education.

Air Force Institute of Technology

AFIT, located at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, provides defense-focused graduate and continuing education, research and consultation to improve Air Force and joint operational capability. It is comprises of four schools (listed below) and Centers of Excellence: Rapid Production Development; Advanced Navigation Technology Center; Directed Energy, Cyberspace Research, Measurement and Signature Intelligence Studies and Research; and Operational Analysis.


Graduate School of Engineering and Management

The school engages in research activities that enable the Air Force to maintain its scientific and technological dominance. The school's mission reflects its focus on preparing students with the skills required to maintain the world's best Air Force, with the recognition of research as a critical element in quality graduate education.

Air Force Center for Systems Engineering

The center shapes the future of systems engineering in the Air Force and Department of Defense to improve the ability to deliver warfighting capabilities. The school conceptualizes new processes, practices, tools and resources for the systems engineering workforce through research, education and consultation.

School of Systems and Logistics

The school provides premier systems and logistics education, service and research that creates and sustains operational capabilities of air, space and cyberspace forces.

Civil Engineering and Services School

The school develops and delivers civil engineer, environmental and services professional continuing education and provides consultation in support of air, space and cyberspace forces.

Academic Support Services

The Air University resident and distance education programs receive academic support from such organization as AU Registrar, AU Library, AU Press, AU Television, Air Force Enlisted Heritage Research Institute and AU Bookstore.

Air University Library

The premier library in the Department of Defense, the AU Library houses especially strong collections in the fields of warfighting, aeronautics, Air Force and DOD operations, military sciences, international relations, education, leadership and management. Bearing the name of Gen. Muir S. Fairchild, the founder and first commander of AU, the library serves as the focal point of faculty and student research, holding more than 2.9 million items.




HISTORY
The Wright Brothers established the first U.S. civilian flying school in Montgomery, Ala., in 1910. By the 1920s, Montgomery became an important link in the growing system of aerial mail service. In the early 1930s, the Army Air Corps Tactical School moved to Maxwell and Montgomery became the country's intellectual center for airpower education.

Air University, established in 1946, continues the proud tradition of educating tomorrow's planners and leaders, in air, space and cyberspace power for the Air Force, other branches of the U.S. armed forces, federal government civilians and international organizations. Today, Air University's reach spans not only the globe, but the careers of every Air Force member.

[Andrés Eduardo González]

Daniel, es que nadie está diciendo que el documento sea ficción, es tan real como usted y como yo. Lo que pasa es que Chávez va a pasar un enorme oso si presenta dicho documento pues no habla de nada comprometedor u ofensivo. Es más, si lee el documento, al comienzo de cada hoja dice "White papers", eso quiere decir que es un documento público y de libre acceso para cualquier persona, no se oculta nada. Y es más, ése documento lo conociamos hace raaaaaaaato en Colombia, sabe qué, Daniel, Chávez descubrió que el agua moja y va a pasar severa vergüenza en Bariloche...

[Andrés Eduardo González]

Daniel, es que nadie está diciendo que el documento sea ficción, es tan real como usted y como yo. Lo que pasa es que Chávez va a pasar un enorme oso si presenta dicho documento pues no habla de nada comprometedor u ofensivo. Es más, si lee el documento, al comienzo de cada hoja dice "White papers", eso quiere decir que es un documento público y de libre acceso para cualquier persona, no se oculta nada. Y es más, ése documento lo conociamos hace raaaaaaaato en Colombia, sabe qué, Daniel, Chávez descubrió que el agua moja y va a pasar severa vergüenza en Bariloche...

[Daniel O'leary]

:cool: Daniel, es que nadie está diciendo que el documento sea ficción, es tan real como usted y como yo. Lo que pasa es que Chávez va a pasar un enorme oso si presenta dicho documento pues no habla de nada comprometedor u ofensivo. Es más, si lee el documento, al comienzo de cada hoja dice "White papers", eso quiere decir que es un documento público y de libre acceso para cualquier persona, no se oculta nada. Y es más, ése documento lo conociamos hace raaaaaaaato en Colombia, sabe qué, Daniel, Chávez descubrió que el agua moja y va a pasar severa vergüenza en Bariloche...

Pero entiende algo, ese documento del dominio publico habla del potencial para una movilización en un momento o situación determinada, lo que no es del dominio publico, es para que es esa hipotética movilización o estudio del alcance de las Unidades Norteamericanas tomando a Palanquero como referencia.

Además, que tiempo tiene ese documento??? Es algo que no conoceremos con certeza, fíjate que tu dices que ustedes lo saben de haceeeeee tiempoooooo, pero hasta hace dos años Manta era la FOL, eso quiere decir entonces que desde hace tiempooooo Colombia esta negociando los permisos (para no decir Bases)?, lo otro seria saber si existe un planteamiento similar por ejemplo de los años 80 y 90, poniendo a Palo Negro como esa base para la proyección de una Fuerza expedicionaria???, o uno de principio de este siglo con Manta??, o de los 70 con Palmerola en Honduras???, oye yo no se pero tan incrédulos no podemos ser.....

Yo los que les digo es que tienen todo el derecho de defender lo que ustedes creen que este bien, pero ínsito como te dije antes, la buena intención de ustedes se las puedo creer, pero la de los Americanos….. No pana eso ya no lo cree nadie, ósea ya no estamos en la Guerra Fría cuando el mundo se dividía en Buenos y Malos y cosas como esta se veían en todo el mundo, según el bando en que estabas, ahora ya los buenos y los malos se acabaron, ahora lo que hay es asociaciones estratégicas ente países, regiones, continentes, y depende de los políticos que esos acuerdos sean para bien o para mal…

Y tampoco creo que Chávez va a pasar pena en la Unasur… ósea ese documento deja abiertas muchas hipótesis, interrogantes, por que si tu me dices que ese documento es Colombiano, a bueno así si Chávez esta como loco… pero de los Americanos, no vale, de allí se puede esperar lo que sea… ese documento es tan solo la punta del iceberg, lo que los Americanos quieren que todos sepan, lo demás esta en TOP SECRET[/b]

[Andrés Eduardo González]

El documento es de Estados Unidos. Y bueno, pueden creer lo que quieran, yo me remito a lo que dice el documento... Si quieren pensar que los yankees los van a invadir desde acá, bueno, que Chávez pegue su paranoía a toda Venezuela.... pero que no se meta para nada con Colombia y nos deje quietos, nos deje sanos...