Orel . escribió:. Dassault y el Gobierno francés estaban ya desesperaditos.
Si claro, de fuentes autorizadas EADS o LM
RAF strips jets for spare parts: Typhoons torn up for Libya air fleet
By Ian Drury
Last updated at 11:29 AM on 16th June 2011
The RAF is tearing apart state-of-the-art fighter jets for spare parts to keep warplanes flying over Libya.
Three Typhoons, costing £125million each, are being cannibalised at RAF Coningsby in Lincolnshire to cover a desperate shortage of parts.
Eight Typhoons are taking part in bombing raids and enforcing the no-fly zone over Libya. The jets also patrol the Falkland Islands and provide the Quick Reaction Alert force protecting UK airspace.
But to save money, air chiefs did not order enough spare parts for the warplanes when they came into service two years ago.
This means three jets had to be grounded in March so RAF technicians could raid them to keep the maximum number of Typhoons in the air.
Conservative MP Chris Heaton-Harris, who asked a series of parliamentary questions about the jets, said: ‘It is a disgraceful waste of taxpayers’ money to have £375 million sitting in the RAF equivalent of a salvage yard providing spares to keep other planes in the air.’
‘Spares should have been easily sourced and in the original contract.’
‘The RAF needs to shake itself out of this Steptoe and Son mentality and sort out its logistics problems once and for all – and ministers should be leading this process.’
Shadow defence secretary Jim Murphy said: ‘It is vital that the MoD gets a grip on procurement.
‘When our brave forces are in action overseas people will be dismayed that millions of taxpayers’ pounds are being wasted on aircraft that aren’t in action.’
Commander Nigel ‘Sharkey’ Ward, decorated for flying Harrier jump jets during the Falklands war, said: ‘The Typhoon is an astronomically expensive aircraft that is ill-suited to any role outside UK airspace.
‘It is essentially a very expensive RAF sacred cow.’
The Public Accounts Committee, the House of Commons spending watchdog, said the decision to ground some of the world’s most advanced jets was ‘questionable’.
The Ministry of Defence believes the problem will continue until 2015, when sufficient components should be in stock.
Retired Air Commodore Andrew Lambert said the practice of raiding aircraft for spare parts was ‘neither new nor unusual’.
These planes, dubbed ‘Christmas trees’ by mechanics, were usually undergoing a six-month overhaul so it made sense to strip them of parts if another jet urgently needed one.
‘If you are saying is it better to have spares so you don’t have to cannibalise a plane, then probably yes,’ he said.
‘But there is not an awful lot of money in the defence budget to do this. If you have to rob Peter to refit Paul, then you get on and do it.’
RAF sources said equipment was often taken off a plane as soon as it came into service and fitted to another jet in the operating fleet.
Defence equipment minister Peter Luff said: ‘This is a routine measure. None of these aircraft was in the forward fleet.’
The shortage of spare parts means some Typhoon pilots are grounded because they can’t put in enough flying hours to remain battle ready.
espin escribió:Respecto a la discusión que nos ocupa (Rafale vs Eurofighter), según parece el avión francés derrotó al Typhoon en una maniobras en EAU en una proporción de 7 a 1.
Con todo el dolor de mi corazón, ¿no convierte esto al francés en mejor avión...?.
Saludos.
Luego quieren que el programa
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RAF strips jets for spare parts
Con todo el dolor de mi corazón, ¿no convierte esto al francés en mejor avión...?
En un dogfight la experiencia de los pilotos cuenta mucho
Orel . escribió:Luego quieren que el programa
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RAF strips jets for spare parts
Qué penita
De todos modos, ¿eso sucede también con Alemania, Italia, España? Es que no tengo entendido que sea así.
BAE Systems confident Typhoon AESA will proceed
By Gareth Jennings
5/31/2011
Government ministers have "assured [BAE Systems] of a clear way forward" in the development of an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar for the Eurofighter Typhoon combat aircraft, a senior company official said on 25 May.
Peter Anstiss, BAE Systems board member and business development director - Military and Air Information, told reporters during a press conference at the company's Warton site that "the E-Scan [electronic scan] radar programme is continuing". He said: "We have got engineers currently working to a programme that is supported by the four [Eurofighter partner] nations."
With Finmeccanica - which will lead the programme through its subsidiary Selex Galileo - and EADS, BAE Systems is part of a consortium that was launched at the Farnborough International Airshow in 2010 to develop an AESA/E-Scan capability for the Typhoon.
However, since the programme's launch there have been concerns it might fall victim to the current rounds of defence spending cuts, particularly in light of the fact that the UK's October 2010 Strategic Defence and Security review (SDSR) did not yield the required level of savings and that further follow-on cuts are expected.
Thanks, But No Thanks
Posted by Robert Wall at 6/17/2011 5:05 AM CDT
Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and Eurofighter are all gearing up for Japan’s new fighter competition, but Dassault Aviation – another stalwart in the global fighter campaigns now unfolding – opted not to play. Why?
Dassault Aviation chairman and CEO Charles Edelstenne is not shy about saying the he did not want to play the role of a stalking horse. “Our belief is that the Japanese have issued the RFP only to have some rabbit for the Americans to chase.” But that’s not a role he wants to be in. “We are not ready to spend millions [on a campaign] only to be used as a rabbit for the Americans.”
Instead, Dassault remains focused on other potential export orders, with competitions in India, Brazil and the United Arab Emirates the highest profile. Which does Edelstenne rate the most important? The one he signs first, he quips, noting that the decision timelines are dictated by the government.
Each of the competitions has its own intricacies. India, for instance, has placed huge demands on bidders – now down to the Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale – in terms of industrial offsets. Edelstenne acknowledges that the “compensation is really very tough. It will be very difficult to answer to this request.” However, he’s not scared. “We will negotiate,” he says. “First of all, I want to be chosen, and then we will negotiate.”
As for the UAE – perhaps the longest-running campaign for the Rafale – Edelstenne notes the 9 metric ton thrust version of the M88 engine is available. What is more, a Dassault official notes the that ground moving target indicator radar modes the UAE has expressed interest in – they are not required by the French customer – could be easily provided by Thales, since it already has demonstrated those capabilities on Mirage 2000s.
Se dice, se runrunea que hay elementos dentro del MoD que lo consideran sacrificable.
Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and Eurofighter are all gearing up for Japan’s new fighter competition, but Dassault Aviation – another stalwart in the global fighter campaigns now unfolding – opted not to play. Why?
[por India] “compensation is really very tough. It will be very difficult to answer to this request.”
Edelstenne notes the 9 metric ton thrust version of the M88 engine is available.
ground moving target indicator radar modes the UAE has expressed interest in – they are not required by the French customer – could be easily provided by Thales
The new AESA array, larger than the ones available to our competitors thanks to the Typhoon’s voluminous radome
The new radar will have AESA capability that far exceeds any other radar available today and in the foreseeable future
Orel . escribió:Se dice, se runrunea que hay elementos dentro del MoD que lo consideran sacrificable.
Hombre, resulta extraño cuando ha sido el único país que inició por su cuenta un programa de AESA autóctono para el Typhoon por si no se firmaba el conjunto. De hecho, el AESA que se firmó en grupo podrá equiparse con los módulos T/R de BAe (ingleses) o de EADS-DASA (alemanes), ya que hubo mal rollito dado que ambos querían llevarse el gato al agua. Y Bae no es una de las empresas pequeñas de RU precisamente.
Orel . escribió:Detalles:The new AESA array, larger than the ones available to our competitors thanks to the Typhoon’s voluminous radome
Eso no sé si será totalmente cierto. Se dice, eso sí, que tendrá incluso algo más de diámetro que la antena actual (que tiene entre 70 y 75 cm de diámetro). Es verdad respecto al Viper, Gripen y Rafale, creo que es verdad respecto al SuperHornet, pero no es verdad respecto al F-15 ni al F-35.
During the first three months of operation Harmattan in Libya, the Rafales (Air and Marine) made over 700 sorties and a total of 3800 hours of flight - either out of an average of 5:30.
Rafales up to 28 were engaged at the same time ...compared to a figure ten Typhoon (Eurofighter) that the RAF was able to deploy a few weeks.
The planes, which availability is excellent (1), are under stress. One of them flew 140 hours in a month ... or 35 hours per week! Several have exceeded 130 hours, while the average is around 100 hours.
The Rafales have taken ten Scalp cruise missiles, bombs AASM 182 and 116 GBU, not counting the 300 out of recognition.
(1) There are only three mechanics per aircraft.
Monday, June 20, 2011
Jean-Dominique Merchet
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