Cita Mauricio
No, en 1982.
No hace diferencia la indicación si dieron de baja los ultimos Shahak (Mirage IIICj de IAI) en 1982 o en 1986, que és la época en que entraron en servicio los Cheetah de Sur Africa, 1986. Todavia és el dato que dispongo sobre la baja del ultimo Kfir en IAI.
¿Y los que se perdieron en combate qué?
Israel perdió Mirages a lo largo de los '60s y '70s. Solamente el primer día de la guerra que se supone ganó por goleada (05-Jun-1967), Israel perdió cuatro Shahaks en combate entre los derribados por aviones enemigos y la defensa AA. En total perdieron 9 Mirages a lo largo de la Guerra de los Seis Días, luego contar los perdidos en la Guerra del Desgaste y la de Yom Kippur.
Se tienen diferentes informaciones sobre los Shahak, como és normal, los israelies afirman que solo perdieron 12 MirageIIICJ, los enemigos afirman que derribaron 21.
Haciendo las cuentas de los Shahak de IAF, se encuentran: 72-
Mirage IIICJ de iAI comprados – 72
Mirage IIIBJ de IAI comprados – 5
Mirage IIIRJ de IAI comprados – 2
Mirage IIICJ de IAI perdidos – 12
Mirage IIICJ de IAI vendidos a Argentina conforme informaste – 19
Mirage IIIBJ de IAI vendidos a Argentina conforme informaste – 3
72 –19 –12 = 41 Mirage IIICJ poderian estar disponibles para montar el cheetah + partes de Kfir
5 –3 = 2 Mirage IIIBJ poderian estar disponibles
Como es bien sabido, el Cheetah C tiene los mismos canards que el C.2, algo que es imposible hacer sobre células de Mirage porque no tienen los refuerzos estructurales para aguantar las cargas y sustentación adicionales de los canards. ¿Sabes por qué es posible ponerles esos canards? PORQUE SON CELULAS DE KFIR. En cambio los Cheetah E y D usan los mismos canards chicos del Kfir C.1, porque son células recicladas de Mirage.
Ok, todavia las estruturas de celdas de los aviones se pueden reforzar, pero el detalhe de los canards puede indicar de que usaron las celdas de los Kfir, si esto realmente ocurrio me pregunto que sera que han echo con los Mirage IIICJ que dieron de baja en IAF... Otro detalhe és el porque no escriben de forma bien clara que no se usaron celdas de los Mirage IIICJ de IAI para hacer los Cheetah C y si celdas de los Kfir.
South Africa performed an update to their Mirages along the lines of that of the Kfir and incorporating some Israeli-built kit. In 1986, Atlas Aircraft Corporation of South Africa rolled out a refurbished Mirage III machine named the "Cheetah".
The Cheetah E is a single seat, multi-role, all-weather fighter version of the Cheetah D. The E variant used the Mirage IIIEZ as the basis for the conversion and needed extensive upgrades and refitments to get it to Cheetah standards.
Improvements to the Cheetah featured:
· Structural upgrades to "zero-life" the airframe.
· Kfir-like canards, nose strakes, and dogtooth wing.
· An Atar 09K-50 engine. The Cheetah featured larger engine intakes to ensure the necessary airflow.
· Two additional stores pylons under the intake ducts, for a total of seven pylons.
· A fixed refueling probe, mounted over the right air intake.
· A Martin-Baker Mark 10 ejection seat.
· New avionics, the majority of Israeli origin but with some elements built in South Africa, mostly packed into an extended nose.
The updated avionics kit included:
· A lightweight Israeli Elta EL-2001 radar, a simple set but much better than the aged Cyrano radar system, capable of tracking and targeting in both air to air and air to ground combat.
· An Elbit head-up display (HUD), and a South African built helmet mounted sight.
· A self-defense suite, including missile and radar warning sensors, active jammers, and chaff-flare dispensers. The chaff-flare dispensers were fitted in a fairing under the tail.
· New navigation and weapons management systems.
The Cheetah was qualified to carry locally-built South African weapons, such as the Kukri and Darter AAMs, which could be cued by the pilot's helmet-mounted sight, and Israeli weapons such as the Python AAM. The Cheetah's radar is not capable of supporting long-range radar-guided AAMs. Of course, operational Cheetahs retained the twin DEFA cannon and could carry such ordnance as conventional bombs, cluster munitions, and unguided rocket pods.
Cheetah Es went into service with 5 Squadron at AFB Louis Trichardt, of which 16 were in service by 1991. None of the Cheetah variants ever saw combat in the Border War, but the Cheetah Es were used as permanent interceptor standby aircraft, with a minimum of two aircraft on round the clock alert status, until the end of the Border War in 1989. The single-seater Cheetah E is regarded by most observers as having just been an interim fighter for use in the period before the Cheetah Cs became operational, due to the very short operational life of the Cheetah E, which was only a few years from its entry into operational service in 1987/88 to its retirement in 1992. It was fitted with a comparatively simple avionics suite and radar, and retained the Atar 9C-3 engine. Its typical mission while in service was as a standby interceptor, whereby a minimum of two aircraft, armed with two V3B (later V3C) missiles, would be on permanent alert status in case of an attack from the north.
With the entering into service of the Cheetah C, the Cheetah Es were withdrawn from service and 5 Squadron was disbanded in 1992.
All the aircraft were placed into storage, though the final example, No.842, was painted in a non-standard camouflage scheme and used for systems testing. No.842 is currently with the SAAF Museum, and is stored at AFB Swartkop. In 2003, Chile purchased five of the mothballed aircraft, numbers 819, 820, 827, 832 and 833. The country has also indicated its desire to purchase seven more aircraft (numbers 822, 823, 825, 828, 829, 831 and 834), subject to the agreement of a suitable purchase price. The Chilean Air Force (FAC) will use the Cheetah E airframes as a source of spares for its similar ENAER Pantera} aircraft.
The Cheetah C is the ultimate development of the Cheetah series, and it is currently the only fighter-aircraft type in service with the SAAF. Many of the features of this aircraft are still classified, and the SAAF is unwilling to reveal too many details. Further upgrades from the Cheetah E incorporated a more sophisticated avionics and navigation suite and a new pulse-doppler, multi-mode radar (possibly the Elbit EL/M-2032 multimode radar) and an advanced EW suite. The aircraft is also fitted with a datalink, though the capabilities of this system are unknown, and it received updated versions of the helmet-mounted sight, HUD and improved HOTAS controls.
Other improvements include the fitment of a single-piece wrap-around windshield with an anti-radiation coating in place of the old three-piece version, a new in-flight refuelling probe with less external piping, new undercarriage and suspension, the deletion of the wing fences, an upgraded version of the Atar 9K50 and a new nose to incorporate the more sophisticated electronics and radar.
Oddly, the Cheetah C seems to retain ta variant of the old Martin-Baker JM6 ejection seat.
Like the Cheetah D, the Cheetah C is capable of delivering precision-guided munitions (PGMs), ranging from laser-guided bombs (LGBs), to GPS-guided weapons and TV-guided bombs. It also has the capability of using stand-off air-to-ground weapons such as the MUPSOW and TORGOS. In addition, it is able to carry a raft of air-to-air weapons, and the SAAF currently equips its aircraft with the V4 R-Darter, a beyond-visual-range (BVR) radar-guided missile, and the U/Darter, a highly capable short-range infrared (IR)-guided missile.
Armament Guns:
2x 30 mm DEFA cannons
Bombs: 250 kg Laser-guided bombs (LGB), GPS-guided bombs, 250 kg 'booster' bombs, various unguided 'iron' bombs
Missiles: V4 R-Darter (BVR missile), U/Darter, V3C Darter, Python 3
Other: Two auxiliary fuel tanks (fitted with two 125 kg bomb pylons each)
The type was phased out on 1 April 2008 pending the introduction of the Gripen.
Monk escribio:
Kfir C2 : fabricados a partir de células de Nesher monoplazas
Kfir TC2 : fabricados a partir de células de Nesher biplazas
Mauricio escribió
Los Kfir biplazas son de nueva construcción. Son células distintas a los Nesher biplazas.
No fueron los Kfir C.1 que se fabricaron a partir de celdas del Nesher ? Los Kfir C.2 y TC.2 tuvieron celdas proprias.
Un saludo
y si salis a buscar , Brazil , Chile , Peru , Colombia , Ecuador y alguno mas son o fueron usuarios ...
, algunos foros argentinos ( la mayoría ) solo te venden humo ... Saben mas que el propio ministerio de defensa 
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