tercioidiaquez escribió: ↑08 Jul 2023, 15:19A ver si lo entiendo. Esos T-62 (e imagino que T-54), que se iban a usar como artillería, están colocados de manera tan inteligente, que sirven para rechazar los ataques de la infantería ucraniana que avanzan sin tanques, a pecho descubierto...Los Ucranianos estás últimas semanas pierden menos tanques porque no los usan y envían pelotones de asalto de infantería a pecho descubierto. Y para neutralizar estos asaltos valen ametralladoras , morteros, artillería de todo tipo y también funcionan estupendamente los T62.
Que grandes estrategas tienen los rusos, que saben donde poner sus peores carros, justo donde los ucranianos avanzan solo con infantería...
Es enternecedor la candidez....
Saludos,
También enternecedor, utilizar el sarcasmo, pero ignorando las tácticas como se han usado ciertos sistemas , mayormente los Rusos en este conflicto, pero también los Ucranianos.
Luego, alguien que quizá pueda tener el conocimiento para entender ciertas operaciones, y prefiera repetir una y mil veces mentiras, es típico de un propagandista, como ya lo hemos debatido
Que nos repitan mil veces que los Rusos se quedaron sin tanques, sin misiles y sin artilleria , es cancino, sobretodo porque los medios serios ya nos han advertido que es una mentira, y que aferrarse a esas mentiras, es tener perspectivas y expectativas falsas en relación al desarrollo de la guerra
Incluso cuentas pro Ucranianas se cansan de tanta tonteras al respecto
Pero volviendo al tema de los tanques viejos, dejo un artículo (creo que ya lo había publicado) de los que conocen algo en defensa del Royal United Services Institute, un poco para darle luces a los sarcásticos
https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/p ... on-ukraineThe Russian use of armour has evolved significantly during the conflict. The BTG concept included the use of armour in company groups to punch into operational depth.42 After taking massive losses, the Russians shifted to using armour for attempts at breakthrough when conditions were propitious. Now, tanks are very rarely used in this way, with the destruction of a Russian naval infantry brigade in Vuhledar attempting such an armoured thrust, reinforcing Russia’s caution in using such tactics under current conditions.43 Instead, tanks tend to operate in three ways.
First, they are used to supplement artillery capabilities through indirect engagements. This is particularly notable in sectors off the Russian main effort where there is not a sufficient allocation of air defences to protect a robust logistics architecture capable of supporting a large numbers of guns.Because of the low angle of indirect fire engagements by tanks, they make for an inefficient form of artillery. Nevertheless, these engagements can often be made from positions that would not be viable for artillery because of the tanks greater protection and thus reduced vulnerability to counterbattery fire, enabling tanks to fill in the gap in firing while guns displace or become suppressed.
Second, tanks are used as highly accurate fire support assets able to stand off at 2 km and utilise their enhanced optics to identify and knock out firing positions. It is important to note that while the introduction of older tanks such as the T62 and T55 to the field has been mocked online, these vehicles are largely being used in the role of the fire support function offered by BMPs and other infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs). They represent an increase in range, protection and kinetic effect over these IFVs, and therefore pose a serious battlefield threat when there are a limited number of anti-tank guided weapons able to reach them at their stand-off range. A third use of armour is in raiding. Because of the continual pressure that Russian infantry place Ukrainian positions under, this requires regular troop rotations. Striking troops during these rotations significantly increases the likelihood of inflicting casualties, so the Russians often conduct gun raids with tanks when they detect troop rotations
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En toda caso, siempre a la espera de mejores datos...
